Discussion about Space:1999.
Which was better: Season One or Two?
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| dadtimes2 03 Jan 2003 05:35:15 |
I prefer Season One. Less kitsch. Better stories. Best cast by far! |
| JYM 06 Jan 2003 04:12:44 |
Season 1. More mystery in it. More dark. |
| Eagle One 07 Jan 2003 02:04:48 |
Overall I like the 1st season the best, however I think Bringers of Wonder from the second season is the best episode. As for cast, I don't care for Barry Morse in the least as Victor. Some of the problem is script related but his acting leaves much to be desired. In one episode he swings his arm up and scratches his head as he's thinking and ends up looking like a baboon rather than a deep thinker. Maya is far more entertaining as a sci officer and actually for the most part seems to deliver the lines a better. Tony really shouldn't have had as much screen time, too much of a one diminsional character. Alan need more screen time in the second season. Several time it seems almost as if Tony and Alans roles are reversed in some episodes. The first season could use a little more emotional depth and character development. The second season could use better scripts. I like the dark tone of the first season but there are a few times when it would have been better to a few light moments too. |
| Cindy 07 Jan 2003 22:28:37 |
Season 1 is better for action |
| JackTheFool 07 Jan 2003 22:43:31 |
Without a doubt, Season 1 is the best. Dragon's Domain is the best episode, IMHO. |
| Validus 08 Jan 2003 02:57:36 |
As much as I like Miya I have to conceed that Season 1 is hands down the better of the two. Season 2 might've been redeemed by a well-written Grand Finale. -I have a few ideas for how I'd have done it, personally......but that's just me. |
| JackTheFool 08 Jan 2003 18:33:29 |
If they had any intention of wrapping up the 1999 saga in Year Two, I would have simply written Bringers of Wonder in such a way as to wrap it up (have the crew get rescued at the end) as the last episode. Jack The Fool |
| tombrock 08 Jan 2003 20:30:59 |
Personally I find it hard to believe there is even a debate about this one. Aside from the first handful of initial episodes of the second season--which were fairly well done for what they were--it was really little more than a very depressing [and very rapid] degeneration into plainly awful sci-fi. Made even worse by the promise of what might have been; the first season was a considerable accomplishment in science fiction television. Dark, quirky, literate, thought-provoking. And the producers took risks...experimenting with different editing techniques, the atmospheric use of lighting...things no American series would ever have attempted. And most of the time they succeeded. Was the first season perfect? Of course not. It was greatly in need of a "human touch"--a warm smile here and there, some "off-duty" moments. Things which would have given the regular characters a bit more depth. And the writers needed a refresher course in the basic tenets of physics and the laws of the universe. But overall--it was science fiction as it had never been seen before. Or since for that matter. There are at least a half dozen first season episodes which seriously must be considered for the best science fiction television of all time. "Dragon's Domain," "The Infernal Machine," "Death's Other Dominion," "Mission of the Darians," and "The Troubled Spirit" come to mind just off the top of my head. How sad then that Fred Freiberger took over and immediately began making wholesale changes for the sake of change and not much else. As fond as I am of Catherine Schell, the introduction of Maya to the cast served as little more than comic book fodder; it is nearly impossible to glean legitimate drama from a script that must include a character who is, for all intents and purposes, able to get out of any jam simply by turning into something else. That type of garbage is best left for the old live action saturday morning action adventure series of the seventies. And to add insult to injury, whether it was a budgetary problem or simply a lack of caring, the "monsters" they introduced into the scripts were so amateurish, so cheesy, so absolutely unconvincing that even Dr. Who did a better job of bringing them to the screen. Year Two is simply embarrassing and agonizing to watch. Last year when I bought my first DVDs of the first season, I decided I would show a few episodes to my 11 year old daughter who was a fanatic Star Wars fan--thinking of course that she would immediately point out how dated and awful it was. Much to my surprise, after the first episode [Infernal Machine] she immediately began making comments about how good the special effects were and how it didn't "look" like a TV show at all, but more like a movie. She liked it so much that she asked to see another and another and another. Then the other day I came home to find her watching a second season episode [the Beta Cloud of all things] and she was absolutely incredulous. "What happened to this show?" she asked..."who would do something like this?" I would say that pretty much sums it all up for me. |
| Cindy 08 Jan 2003 22:31:58 |
All episodes of first season are excellent and Dragon's domain is my favorite episode. In the second season, certain episodes are patched up, even if I think "Journey to where" is excellent too. |
| Eagle One 09 Jan 2003 02:27:00 |
I could rewatch more of the 1st season episodes for sure than second. However, Journey to Where is as dark as any of the first season shows. The earth is in poor condition, there is a brief and fading window for rescuse, and things start to go wrong. The Alphas hopes are raised on to be dashed. If I recall correctly Helena gets a strain of viral pneumonia and they make an antibotic out of mold. It's my understanding that antibotics don't work on viruses or viral pneumonia so I found that slightly annoying. Otherwise, this second season episode is easily one of the best of either season. Devil's Planet, while not the best of sci-fi |
| Skarro 09 Jan 2003 03:31:16 |
When I first started watching SPACE:1999, I was about 9 or 10 years old, and was in a "Star Wars" high... any science-fiction was great for my then-young and imaginitive mind. I actually started out by liking season 2 better. I thought it was so cool with all the space battles and monsters and laser fights, etc.... and it didn't have that weird Victor guy in it! As I said, though, I was young and naive. Having re-watched SPACE:1999 over the years whenever it showed up on some old nostalgia channel, I rapidly realized just how bad (compartively speaking) season 2 was, and how absolutely awesome season 1 was. All those "weird" stories in season 1 suddenly made a lot more sense as I grew older and wiser, and I really grew to appreciate Victor as a character. I wonder how many other people here were dazzled by the "kinetic spectacle" of season 2 when they were young, but now look back on it in embarassment? SPACE:1999 is just such a great show as far as I'm concerned. Despite its very 70's costuming and hairstyling, the show still holds up remarkably well today. One of the things I really love about the show - and season 1 in particular - is that it is so unique and very un-American! As others have mentioned before, the series is far darker and more melancholy than most other shows (heck, they killed off pretty well every leading "Guest Artist" by the end of the episode, usually in a very Shakespearian way), and they never really seemed to have a hope of finding home. Such depressing drama is usually steered well-clear of by most American shows (although they're starting to get a little more daring these days!). Probably the thing I love most about SPACE:1999 is the overall "look and feel" of the show. This applies to both seasons, and it's really a combination of the sets, the music, the lighting, the direction, the model-work and the effects shots, and how they all combine to create this moody atmosphere that I just can't find on any other show. For me, SPACE:1999 is best watched very late at night with the lights turned low - it just doesn't seem to work as well when I watch it during the day... Sorry for the long post, but I do get carried away at times... Who's next with their memories? |
| Validus 09 Jan 2003 03:53:39 |
First off I see that this is Skarro's first post, so welcome! Second, reading yoru post almost made me wonder at first if I'd written it myself. On all your points I pretty much agree. I'd never really thought about the costumes on S1999 as being "70's style" but on second glance I guess they are. Of course anyone can tell Star Wars was made in the 70's by looking at Harrison Ford's Han Solo outfit (pure Disco chic with a blaster). Watching Season One, I sometimes get the sense of Stanley Kubrick's ghost inhabiting the show. Much of the "look" of Space 1999 was clearly inspired by 2001: A Space Odyssey, and I don't see that as a bad thing. |
| Eagle One 09 Jan 2003 05:06:22 |
I think they clearly were inspired by Kubrick. They space suits have always made me think 2001. |
| Space1999! 09 Jan 2003 19:58:56 |
Ahh memories I simply love Year One. I loved it when I first saw it at age 10 and realized it was something unique and very special. I mean its literally just as if someone grabbed me and held me in front of the tv, I was so captivated. When John placed the pen on his diary at the end of Testament I thought to myself that the show had really hit its stride and if it could stay the course, with the same cast and a production team and writers who now had a firm handle on the concept, it would be Unbelievable instead of merely Outstanding. I even created a petition in Grade 6 at my school when I heard that 1999 was likely cancelled and was ecstatic when I heard a new season was on its way. Then, when I saw how the show had been literally Metamorphed into Series Two I was simply stunned with utter and complete disappointment. In October and November a friend lent me his Megaset and I had a chance to watch Year Two, many for the first time in 25 years and some were simply appalling. The Taybor, Brian the Brain, Rules of Luton and my vote for worst of all-time is Mark of Archanon what with 5 cent tinfoil asteroids pounding Maya and John returning from a space conference?? some Alphan chasing Alan shouting Mr. Karterrrrr, Mr. Karterrrr like some demented sweathog from Welcome back Kotter and aliens who arrive over Alpha then seem to disappear for 10-15 minutes before they actually show up on screen. Awful, just awful stuff. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't discourage or criticize any fan who prefers Year Two and I think about 10-12 episodes are tolerable but many are just unbearable for me. Every single thing I loved about Year One was changed or removed from music to costumes to sets (now plastered with idiot-poof signage), sound effects, This Episode teaser to the obvious removal of great actors, compelling stories and ground-breaking special effects. Thus, its a hands down bone-crushing win for Year One in my humble opinion and I hazard to guess that if nearly all the changes hadn't been made outside of more character development, a subtle relaxation by the Alphans, the opportunity to see more of their personal hobbies and lifestyle, the show would have had even more new adventures... perhaps even a third season. Well, I'm happy for what we did get and the Carlton Region 2 discs look fantastic as my Malata dvd player converts them from PAL to NTSC on my bigscreen 50" Toshiba at my home here in Canada. Honestly, I didn't hope or ever expect to see the day that this would happen, that I'd have to be content with my laserdiscs, but the dvd's in spite of a few shortfalls are a godsend and for this I am truly grateful. |
| Cindy 11 Jan 2003 00:03:04 |
I agree with eagle one: antibiotics have no effects on viruses. But Pneumonia is not due to a virus (as we can see in "journey to where") but a bacteria. |
| DragonDomi 11 Jan 2003 00:29:18 |
Year 1 is the best! I especially liked the dark, eerie, sad and hopeless feel to the first series. The 2001 influence was right-on, the sets where marvelous, SFX best of the time and interesting enough stories. These episodes at the time could have easily been mistake for a movie that you missed the beginning. Many episodes left you at the end with a cold chill from the halls of Moonbase Alpha. I had just purchased the 8 A&E DVD sets a few months ago and havent seen the Y1 episodes in full since 1977. In regards to the 1st of the four DVDs sets: unbelievable, the Andersons, cast & crew did something you will never see again on a Television series. |
| Validus 12 Jan 2003 07:41:11 |
Space 1999!, I am still undecided which episode is my favorite, but I'm fairly certain that Brian the Brain is the worst. Badly written....the robot's motive makes no sense. If he really wanted to live forever surely he would've figured out that simply living on Moonbase Alpha was the better move since it had supplies and parts. The actor who played the robot's voice was insufferable beyond words.....and for my money he looked too much like a washing machine. I also refuse to believe that Commander Koenig would be stupid enough to allow Brian to simply tool around main mission as he did. A similar theme was explored in the superior Star Trek episode, "The Changling". Kirk even foiled Nomad the same way as Koenig (for the most part). I am forced to wonder if the fingerprints of Fred Freberger run deeper then the surface when looking at Season 2. |
| F-9000 12 Jan 2003 07:59:53 |
Season 1 > Season 2. Why? Better stories, better musics, more visual effects. Message en franais : tout comme Eagle One, je prfre largement l'esprit de la premire saison mais je pense que la seconde comporte tout de mme de brillants pisodes ("Bringers of wonder", "A journey to nowhere" or "Seed of Destuction"). Personnellement, j'adore cette ide de monstres-spaghetti qui viennent s'emparer de la base en dupant les Alphans grce des pouvoirs tlpathiques. Le principe me rappelle Bray Bradbury dans les "martian Chronicles". Un double pisode permet d'toffer le scnario et j'avoue que l'ide de revoir la ville de New York est tout simplement fabuleuse! "En route vers l'Infini" n'est pas mal non plus mais je me deande toujours pourquoi le docteur Logan ne mentionne pas l'arrive des Kaldoriens et du Commissaire Simmonds. Par ailleurs, pour que ce message de l'an 2120 soit crdible, l'pisode doit se drouler obligatoirement aprs "Un Message d'espoir". Vos suggestions? @+ Fred 9000Season 1 > Season 2. Why? Better stories, better musics, more visual effects. Message en franais : tout comme Eagle One, je prfre largement l'esprit de la premire saison mais je pense que la seconde comporte tout de mme de brillants pisodes ("Bringers of wonder", "A journey to nowhere" or "Seed of Destuction"). Personnellement, j'adore cette ide de monstres-spaghetti qui viennent s'emparer de la base en dupant les Alphans grce des pouvoirs tlpathiques. Le principe me rappelle Bray Bradbury dans les "martian Chronicles". Un double pisode permet d'toffer le scnario et j'avoue que l'ide de revoir la ville de New York est tout simplement fabuleuse! "En route vers l'Infini" n'est pas mal non plus mais je me deande toujours pourquoi le docteur Logan ne mentionne pas l'arrive des Kaldoriens et du Commissaire Simmonds. Par ailleurs, pour que ce message de l'an 2120 soit crdible, l'pisode doit se drouler obligatoirement aprs "Un Message d'espoir". Vos suggestions? @+ Fred 9000Season 1 > Season 2. Why? Better stories, better musics, more visual effects. Message en franais : tout comme Eagle One, je prfre largement l'esprit de la premire saison mais je pense que la seconde comporte tout de mme de brillants pisodes ("Bringers of wonder", "A journey to nowhere" or "Seed of Destuction"). Personnellement, j'adore cette ide de monstres-spaghetti qui viennent s'emparer de la base en dupant les Alphans grce des pouvoirs tlpathiques. Le principe me rappelle Bray Bradbury dans les "martian Chronicles". Un double pisode permet d'toffer le scnario et j'avoue que l'ide de revoir la ville de New York est tout simplement fabuleuse! "En route vers l'Infini" n'est pas mal non plus mais je me deande toujours pourquoi le docteur Logan ne mentionne pas l'arrive des Kaldoriens et du Commissaire Simmonds. Par ailleurs, pour que ce message de l'an 2120 soit crdible, l'pisode doit se drouler obligatoirement aprs "Un Message d'espoir". Vos suggestions? @+ Fred 9000 |
| Cindy 12 Jan 2003 18:26:04 |
pour F-9000, mon pisode prfr est "en route vers l'infini", et je ne vois pas pourquoi l'action devrait se drouler aprse "message d'espoir" puisque dans ce dernier l'esprit des alphans est contrl. My favorite episode is definitivly "journey to where" |
| Flamegrape 12 Jan 2003 23:41:09 |
I am probably the only person in the entire fandom of Space:1999 that loved season 2 much more than season 1. I was a 6-year-old child when the series was on television. I remember that I enjoyed the color and action was much more fun in the second season. Also, I really enjoyed Derek Wadsworth's action-pack music soundtrack. And Maya has always been one of my favorite female characters in science-fiction television. Yum. |
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