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Which season's music do you prefer?
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| gba_cmdr 08 Feb 2003 19:07:17 |
A few things... I too prefer Season 1 (and that's how I voted) though Season 2 music isn't bad and does fit the season to a "T". Now, as for bootlegs...this really ticks me off. I haven't checked eBay for 1999 stuff lately, but I have seen a seller selling copies of the Tech Manual (he claims he picked some up from a Con last year and they "might not be" originals) along with a seller selling "Journey to the Far Side of the Sun" -- which has been out of print for a LONG time! I'm all for killing the bootleggers. Oh yea -- there's a company in the UK that is selling CDs (Silva Screen). These are authorized. Not as extensive as the Fanderson releases, but cheaper. I think they are doing Space:1999 [at some point], if I'm not mistaken. |
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| moonbasealpha_s1 08 Feb 2003 20:34:09 |
Ah, but if you kill the seller, another seller will appear in his/her place. As the saying goes, "where there's demand, there will be supply." I'm not saying all buyers are unscrupulous but I do not buy the assumption that all buyers are innocent either. The best weapon to fight the fraud, I think, would be to educate potential buyers. To those who are really angry about this issue (DMX, you're really ticked at this guy, aren't you..  ), I would suggest doing the following.Why not collate and list the books, music, merchandise, etc and indicate whether it is in print or currently being made and who the "legal" distributors are, and what is no longer in print or being made. That way, the buyer would at least be aware of what could be a "copy" and if the buyer really cares about the authenticity then he/she will ask questions. You can even make it as a separate discussion topic in this forum, so it is accessible to everyone...take care... Oh, by the way, you could also indicate on the list which items have been or are likely to be "victims" of fraud and copy.... |
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| gba_cmdr 08 Feb 2003 20:49:15 |
We're getting a little off topic -- if anyone wants to continue the discussion, we can open a "fraud" topic. My quick reply to moonbase_s1 is... I would love to be able to point out if I feel an auction is a bootleg. Of course, eBay doesn't have a "feedback" section where you can make comments about the auction while the auction is on going. I can see many sides to this issue and why eBay wouldn't want to get involved (via some sort of feedback board). Well, let's just be vigilant out there.  |
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| DX-SFX 09 Feb 2003 00:15:01 |
Firstly there have ONLY been a double CD release of Season 1 and a double CD release of season 2 by Fanderson. The rest are pirates pure and simple. Both feature a photograph of Moonbase Alpha from the opening credits on the front cover but the skies have been re-artworked on a computer to make them more colourful (blue and red on one, mostly green with yellow "Space 1999" on two). There is a dark blue band top and bottom on the season one set saying "Original Television Soundtrack" and "Year One" and a purple band top and bottom on the second set saying the same but "Year Two". Also the plastic cases are completely clear and you can see through the case where "2 CD" is printed where you can clearly read "The Worlds Of Gerry Anderson". The pirates have conventional dark grey plastic sides. More importantly the genuine articles are commercial pressed like most CD's and the pirates are burned on a home computer onto CDR's. If you're not sure ask the seller what they are. They either have to lie to you or confess (and no reply is a confession in my mind). The pirates are also missing the comprehensive booklet that comes with the CD's giving you details of every track, it's origin, how it was used etc. Secondly eBay do want to know if items contravene their rules and pirate CD's do just that. The more people that complain to eBay the better. They ask people to report infringing items. There is a semi questionable CD of Derek Wadsworth music doing the rounds which is not as complete as the Fanderson item and I call it questionable because it was struck as a sample disc and not for resale. Unfortunately once a copy got out it didn't take long for the magic burner to go to work and Derek nearly got into a lot of trouble because of it thanks to those involved. However in this case it's now so widely available all parties concerned have given up trying to do anything about it and since it's not complete it's value is somewhat limited. Silva Screens behaviour is exemplary as you would expect and they have released a number of Anderson related titles but few have been soundtrack or of serious interest accept to the more general casual fan. All of their CD's are pressed too (not CDR's). I have not heard anything about a Space 1999 release of any kind but at the end of this month they will be releasing their first genuine TV soundtrack collection of music from "Thunderbirds" in cooperation with Fanderson and Carlton. I've heard the initial master and it's stunning and it will contain roughly 95% of the entire music from the series. The material that has been cut is very minor (mostly due to damage or decay) along with pieces that were just edited together from other tracks but the bulk of the raw material is there. Details can be found on Silva Screens website. As I said before everyone knows that everyone has done the odd copy for a mate. That's kind of accepted. Whilst I don't condone it I would argue it's better to get a friend who's known to you to do a copy. It's the regular burners and sellers who brazenly post these for sale and who are in it for the bucks who are the problem because Carlton will just turn around one day and say that no one can have this material until they deem it saleable enough to invest in releasing a commercial CD. Given the limited interest some of the other series enjoy the only disappointed parties will be the true enthusiasts who have been nobbled by Mr Smash'n'grab. Basically if it's CDR it's very probably a pirate. Incidentally all the other genuine items, being pressed, have pictures and text printed directly onto the disc, not a sticky label. For the record and this thread I much prefer season one music. It's interesting watching some of the compilation videos of season two because in some cases they've added extra music from season one and completely changed the character of the sequences much for the better. |
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| JackTheFool 10 Feb 2003 15:05:06 |
Don't get me wrong, I'm against pirating 100% -- but -- Fanderson could go a long ways toward eliminating this problem by making it easier for fans to purchase the legit CDs. I don't think I should have to join Fanderson and jump through all the hoops to get the CD. They should make the CDs easily available to ALL fans. This might mean having to renegotiate their contract with Carlton. There's clearly a demand for these discs and if there was a broader distribution more money could be made by Fanderson and Carlton. I talked to the Fanderson people about this at the 1999 Breakaway convention and they didn't seem very intent on doing this. Jack |
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| Flamegrape 10 Feb 2003 15:33:56 |
I agree 100%. I joined Fanderson for the SPECIFIC purpose of buying the soundtrack CDs... only to find that they were sold out of the first seson discs. When I was at a sci-fi/fantasy convention recently, I found the season one soundtrack and I bought it. Of course it was a bootleg. But there is NO OTHER WAY for me to obtain a copy of the soundtrack. Barry Gray, et al. received none of my money. I think it STINKS that you have to be a member of a fanclub before you can buy merchandise. They would have made much more money if there was no requirement. Once I bought the second season soundtrack from Fanderson along with a couple of photos, I did not renew my mebership. They didn't even have online ordering catalogs! They're a fan club dedicated to technological visions of the future. And they can't deal with online order forms? I learned how to do CGI scripting in a day without any trouble-- and I'm not even a programmer! Fanderson ripped me off, too. I placed orders for items that never arrived. They do not have my vote of confidence. |
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| moonbasealpha_s1 10 Feb 2003 17:37:50 |
WOW! Thanks for the honest assessement....and I was contemplating joining Fanderson club. I appreciate the forthright feedback, Thanks, | ||
| Martin 10 Feb 2003 18:02:04 |
Fanderson aren't trying to make money with their merchandise- only to cover their costs. And their license with Carlton prohibits selling outside the club. Carlton impose that restriction so that comapnies like Silva Screen aren't deterred from making commercial CDs, as they are doing with Thunderbirds. Fanderson doesn't have a choice in the matter- it's a fan club, not a merchandising company. |
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| DX-SFX 10 Feb 2003 18:29:30 |
Martin is absolutelyn right. What you don't appreciate is that Carlton WHO OWN THE MUSIC have ONLY given permission for it to be released on the basis that it's ONLY supplied to a limited group. (Fanderson members because Fanderson did all the work). This way it doesn't appreciably damage any future potential for the music should Carlton wish to release it to the public as any other music CD. By definition anyone buying the CD is a fan to buy it in the first place but if they weren't club members then they are members of the public which is not included in Carltons licence. Because the release is limited to only club members, Carlton have not insisted on a huge licence fee that would otherwise be beyond the means of an amateur run club. That is why you have to be a member. If it was being released world wide to any old member of the public then Carlton would see it quite rightly as a source of revenue and insist that anyone taking on the job pays an appropriate licence fee since it would be being released as a money making item. The soon to be released "Thunderbirds" CD is just such a commercial release for which Silva Screen have paid the licence fee in order to sell it to all markets across the world. And before you say why not just limit it to so many CD's but it doesn't matter who you sell them too, Fanderson only struck 2000 of them (which was the deal with Carlton) and they sold out all of them to club members before any mention of factoring in "the public". Flame grape says it stinks that you have to be a member in order to buy the merchandise. Just because you want it doesn't mean that you have an automatic right to it. If you have a problem with that then talk to Carlton. Fanderson have to abide by Carltons rules or nobody gets access to this material. Also a lot of the club merchandise is subsidised by membership fees. Why should Joe public reap the benefit of other peoples money? As mentioned all of Fanderson's merchandise is non profit intended as a service to club members. They're not in it for the money. The price of the merchandise is based on the per unit cost of producing it which on two thousand units is considerable compared with Silva Screen selling them in the hundred thousands if not millions. As to missing merchandise, I suggest you talk to the appropriate parties because Fanderson will do their best to rectify any problems. If they weren't professional in their approach they wouldn't be the ONLY club that is given the full support of both Gerry Anderson and Carlton International a position they have earned for over twenty years. You find another amateur run club that produces merchandise (if any) to the same quality as Fanderson. Most can barely manage a photocopied newsletter three times a year. |
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| Skarro 10 Feb 2003 20:29:22 |
I agree with DX on this. I think that the criticism of Fanderson was a bit harsh. I live in Canada, and when I ordered the 2 Space:1999 CD sets, along with the Space:1999 documentary video, the service was comparatively fast and straightforward, with no problems at all. In fact, when I received my "Year One" CD set, they also included an extra copy of the booklet with a note saying something to the effect of "We included another copy of the booklet, as it looks like the one in the CD case may be damaged." As it turned out, the one in the case was actually fine (albeit a little bit of rubbing in the top corner), so the fact that they took the precaution of sending the extra booklet was - I thought - quite impressive. Maybe I'm an exception, but I have no complaints about Fanderson and have found them to be an excellent club. The only thing that I would possibly gripe about was the cost of the CD sets, but considering the market and the amount of work that went into creating the CD's, it's really not all that expensive. Just my $0.02 |
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| moonbasealpha_s1 10 Feb 2003 20:48:48 |
In this day and age, customer service is key in impression and ultimately survival, whether the company is for profit or not. Flame has obviously had a bad experience with Fanderson. Based on that experience, Flame's criticism is not "harsh". There are obviously individuals here who feel very strongly about protecting the reputation of Fanderson. Rather than flame Flame, why not inform Fanderson of a dissatisfied former member and suggest ways of rectifying the situation. If the organization is truly cognizant of customer service, it will address the concern and attempt to win back the club member. If not, then Flame's criticism should be taken as a relevant piece of advice when one is deciding whether or not to join Fanderson. I neither like nor dislike Fanderson. But paying good money for a product, not receiving it and then being apparently blown off is not good business practice; I'd be wary about supporting that organization or any organization for that matter which engages in such a practice.  |
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| DX-SFX 10 Feb 2003 22:15:29 |
It is not for a third party to say that someone else is not satisfied with the service. It's the person who feels aggrieved who should say so. All the team behind Fanderson are good and honest people and do not "rip people off". They wouldn't last five minutes if they did. As you can probably tell I found Flames remarks offensive. If you have a problem in respect of goods that are missing let them know. Why is it more conceivable that they ripped you off than the items getting lost in the post? Flames obvious bitterness at having to join the club because of the licence agreement to (solely) get the music CD's he wanted was aimed at the wrong party and perhaps it would be more constructive if Flame established the facts before taking a cheap swipe. What exactly didn't arrive? I will pass on any complaints to the appropriate person on your behalf if you no longer have the details for the club. |
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| Flamegrape 10 Feb 2003 22:49:15 |
It's my perogative as a consumer to be bitter. If a fan club and/or company is worried about my bitterness then they can do something about it. As for missing merchandise, I don't care anymore. It was a couple of years ago and my membership has expired for a while now. There were and still are alternative ways of vending merchandise. I've stated my complaints about the current system. I've already told them about it in no uncertain terms. I'm sure they don't want to hear from me again. It's their problem, I've stated my complaints. They can do what they want. I've moved on a long time ago. Oh, and BY THE WAY... ever thought of tracking down and bringing to justice ZOMBA! Production Music? They're the ones who produced the bootleg that I bought at the convention. I had no idea it was a bootleg when I bought it. The Fanderson logo was on the cover and, therefore, I thought it was legitimate. I wasn't aware of any indicators that identified it as a bootleg. I was just happy to get a copy. And as a result, Carlton received none of my money. I find it suprising that they did not foresee this piracy. |
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| DX-SFX 10 Feb 2003 23:11:49 |
Yes, there are alternate ways of vending merchandise. It's called a commercial licence. Since it's been clearly explained why this was not possible in the case of the Fanderson CD's then you just have to live with your unreasonable expectations. It is also your perogative to be bitter under any circumstances you like in the same way that it is my perogative to defend innocent parties from an unwarranted and childish attack. I have offered to do what I can but if you don't want to pursue then so be it. Zomba BTW were the company that pressed the authentic CD's. Their logo is on the CD covers the same as the Fanderson one so it would have been reproduced with everything else. All I'm asking is that you don't just start slagging off other people publicly without just cause. Next time try something like "I sent off for some stuff but for some reason never received it" rather than "They ripped me off!" |
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| Flamegrape 11 Feb 2003 19:38:00 |
Maybe you should reconsider who is presently engaging in unwarranted and childish attacks. This topic is closed. |
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