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SPACE:1999 remake.
Would you like to see it re-made today?
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| Skarro 09 Jan 2003 04:11:37 |
So here's a poll which could generate some discussion! Do you want to see a new series of SPACE:1999 made today? Personally, I'd say NO! Apart from the rather obvious problems like "what would you call it, SPACE:2003?", I just couldn't imagine any production company managing to re-create the series in a way which would work. SPACE:1999 was a product of the times in many ways, and I just wouldn't want my memories of it ruined by some horrible re-make. (Mind you, I would be very curious to *see* such a re-make, if nothing more than to satisfy my morbid curiousity!) |
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| Validus 09 Jan 2003 04:55:19 |
Not so much a "re-make" as just a film to wrap up the overall story. SPACE:2009 a James Cameron film Starring- Tommy Lee Jones as Commander Konig Sharon Stone as Dr. Helena Russell Elizabeth Hurley as Miya Antonio Banderes as Tony Paul Hogan as Alan Carter Marlon Brando as The Moon and Kim Cattrel as The Manniquen Music by John Williams and Tangerine Dream. Written by Harlon Ellison, William Gibson, Alan Moore and Frank Miller |
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| Eagle One 09 Jan 2003 05:00:04 |
How about Lucy Lu as Sondra? I think a very well done remake could be done with the right amount of TLC. More on this later... As for the title: Space2111 |
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| Validus 09 Jan 2003 05:39:49 |
Hmmm. SPACE:2111? That's 112 years later if my math is correct. Why 2111? Were you thinking of having the plot involve the current Alphans distant descendents? Even with the technical expertese of Miya I doubt the equipment on Moonbase Alpha could last that long. The amount of fuel for Eagles would eventually run out as would breathable air. I'm also inclined to think that the shear stress of being trapped on the Moon for years on end would eventually result in mental illness (depression, mental exaustion) that would in time spark suicides, irratic behavior and even mutanies. We have also heard it said that Alpha cannot survive without the Computor. Is it reasonable to assume that Alpha's computor could last more then a century? Even the sturdiest computors built today fall apart in less then a decade, I doubt any electronic device built by man could last a century with constant use. I cannot even imagine how traumatized and damaged the Great-Grand Children of the current Alphans would be having never known anything beyond the sterile white walls of a Moonbase. I imagine they would seem rather pitiful...like the Jews who were liberated from the camps in 1945. | ||
| JYM 09 Jan 2003 13:19:45 |
Validus, If you always try to validate the science in sci-fi, so there is no sci-fi anymore! Fiction is not science! 75% of Star wars, Star Trek, Armaggedon!, etc... is fantasy and absurde!!!!! Space 1999 was victim of trekies who didn't want the series have success!!! So they attacked the show trying to convert the fiction to real science!!! No series is credible!The only story that is near of reality was Wing Commander III to V. The PC games not the movie. This is entertaining!! The only problem with Space 1999 was in continuity and some syntax errors. Regards |
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| Validus 09 Jan 2003 19:05:30 |
Jym, Fair enough. Although I guess I hold Space 1999 to a higher standard because it holds itself to a higher standard. To me Space 1999 seems far closer to films like Apollo 13, Space Cowboys, and 2001 then say.....Star Trek (much less Star Wars). But i conceed that maybe I'm being a bit to critical.  |
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| Eagle One 10 Jan 2003 04:56:04 |
I'm glad you ask that question I think 2111, because it's version 2 of the classic show. I like the 111 part because it keeps the feel of the 999 part of the name. I've always felt that 1999 was set a little to close in the future and moving it forward into the future some would helps increase belivability. In redo I would start the first season in the year 2106 or and build up a background for the characters and the moonbase in the solar system before at the end of the season blasting the moon out of orbit. This would give season one a cliff hanger ending. I think the background, of setting up the Astro 7 mission (we see Helena lose her hubby and this allows more insight into Helena character and why she's so cool etc) and it's failure would make a nice first season episode. Dragons Domain the prequel (the misson out & back) would also make a very nice first season episode. In an early 2nd season show the rest of Dragons Domain could be addressed. Moving into the future would also allow the solar system to somewhat colonized. This would allow setting up conflict with belt miners, inner vs outer system conflict etc for good story backgrounds in season one. One of the early episdoes should be Koening having to abandon the scientist on Venus due to the plauge. This is referenced later on but a prequel to this and seeing Koening make the decision before being assigned to alpha would help develop his character. There should be a lot going and the alphas be show as part of "our solar system" before sending them off on their own. I think this would add a great deal of tension and interest etc. I've actually for fun been scetching a time line & season one and season two template for several story boards. :-) What do you think? |
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| JYM 10 Jan 2003 05:20:33 |
I agree. i prefer redo the series than a sequel. But there is always a risk to broke our good memories of the original. | ||
| Validus 10 Jan 2003 06:41:05 |
Eagle One, Well now in the context of a complete remake that makes perfect sense to me. It would also address a basic tenant of Science Fiction, which is that it must always look forward. I don't think a mass audience would buy a show called "Space:1999" anymore just because this is now the year 2003. "Space:2111" sounds perfectly reasonable. I also like your ideas for giving the characters richer backrounds. What it amazing to me is that the characters in Space 1999 are as rich as they are. Consider how little we knew of Captain Kirk after 74 episodes of Star Trek and 6 major films and you'll begin to see what I mean. I imagine that by 2111 it is conceivable that there might even be more then just Moonbase (Moonbase Beta, Gamma, Delta, etc in addition to "Alpha"). I can also imagine them all being destroyed by the Lunar blast that rips the Moon from Earth orbit.....again, except for Moonbase Alpha. If you could get Vangelis to do the music (Bladerunner, Chariots of Fire) and Stephen Spielberg to produce it you might have something...  What do you think? |
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| moonbasealpha_s1 10 Jan 2003 13:08:43 |
I would like to see an epic theatrical remake of Breakaway. Unfortunately, if Hollywood is involved in such a project, the results would likely be disappointing. Judging from the caliper of the majority of today's movies, the end product is likely to be trite and superficial, lacking in depth and meaning....much like a S99 season 2 episode and possibly much worse. Unless you can capture the original feel of the show, hire writers Christopher Penfold and George Bellack and get Sylvia Anderson to produce it and unless you can keep Fred Freiburger far, far away, you will likely end up with a piece of crap. So let sleeping dogs lie and thanks for the memories... |
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| Cindy 10 Jan 2003 23:42:06 |
I think it's a good idea. But I prefere unknown actors for a real remake. |
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| JackTheFool 11 Jan 2003 16:57:19 |
Yes, I would like to see a "Space:1999" film. It would have to be renamed something else, of course. It could either be a complete remake or a film that wraps up the series. Martin Landau could do a cameo (Even as Koenig), but I would recast the film. The only directors I would want to see do this is either Ridley Scott (He could get Brian Johnson back to do the FX since they worked together on Alien), James Cameron or Alex Proyas. Music by Ron Jones (former Star Trek: The Next Generation Composer), Alan Sylvestri (The Abyss) or Basil Pouledouris (Starship Troopers). Jack The Fool |
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| Flamegrape 11 Jan 2003 17:52:33 |
I've thought about this for many years. How would they do it? What would they call it? I like the Space:2111 idea. But why not just the episode's title instead and call the movie Breakaway? And about the moon being blasted out of orbit. The story would have to be radically overhauled. Let's face it, people. In reality, there is no way the moon could be blasted out of orbit and accellerate to relativistic speeds using nuclear explosions as propellant. If that happened, the moon would have crumbled like an egg shell and everyone on the moon as well as the Earth would have been killed. Here's my idea: astronauts are being trained for a manned mission to the planet Meta, which was discovered by a robot probe in another star system. In order to travel there, some sort of experimental faster-than-light hyperspace warp engine thing is to be used. But the problems with the nuclear waste dumps causes some sort of terrible accident and the moon is enveloped in the spacewarp engergies of the experimental FTL drive. The moon begins to randomly teleport to different places in the universe. This concept would be far more plausible, I think. |
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| Validus 11 Jan 2003 20:43:52 |
I agree, and it would actually be compatible with Eagle One's Space:2111 concept. The Moon would then be forced to "leap" (Quantum Leap?) from one part of the Universe to the next. If we only we all worked in Hollywood. (sigh)  |
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| Flamegrape 11 Jan 2003 23:57:39 |
Better yet, the disaster creates two moons. One remains in orbit around the Earth (thus sparing the lives of billions) with Moonbase Alpha destroyed and the other moon with the moonbase intact. |
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| Validus 12 Jan 2003 03:35:38 |
You mean like a divergent reality? (I say that like I know what I'm talking about, but I think you catch my drift.......right) | ||
| Flamegrape 12 Jan 2003 23:53:21 |
Right. The weird experimental FTL drive causes some sort of rip in time and space that somehow causes the moon and Moonbase Alpha to start skipping around the universe. The other moon that remains in orbit around the Earth, has no moonbase. Or maybe it does? Who knows. Many ideas are possible. My point is that if there were a remake, the idea of the moon being blasted out of orbit has to ditched. It's just not possible, no way, no how. |
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| Validus 13 Jan 2003 02:57:53 |
I agree. Personally I like the idea of there just being one Moon rather then a "real" Moon and a divergent Moon. I think it adds to the overall sense of tragedy that gives Space:1999 it's unique edge. I'm not entirely convinced the loss of the Moon would be as catastrophic as some have speculated. There would be the loss of tides and probably the destruction of Venice....beyond that I'm not really certain. It wouldn't be the same as if the polar icecaps were melted. | ||
| JackTheFool 13 Jan 2003 16:30:55 |
I like FlameGrape's idea. I had been thinking of something similar myself. But, something would have to propel the moon rather than just having it phase in and out of different parts of space. I like the notion of an episode like Black Sun where the moon is headed into something that it can't avoid -- so, you'd need something pushing the moon along for that. Jack The Fool |
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| Eagle One 15 Jan 2003 05:18:31 |
That's the direction I would go in witha remake. A more developed and richer solar system etc. I like the quantaum leap idea as well. It side steps some of the other issues. Could still have a waste dump blow up etc for as part of the storyline etc. The moon's velocity from ordit would still propel it after a leap to a new solar system etc, so the moon moving out of the area could still be part of the story line before the moon jumped etc. The jumps would open up a new areas for expanded stories as well. Spielberg or Scott could really do something amazing with the idea! |
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