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Bad episodes in Year Two!
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| F-9000 13 Jan 2003 15:13:48 |
-Dave 99, I'm glad you were among the first watchers of Space 99 in 1976-77! I love "Bringers of Wonder" and the space blobs. There were candles-like in Los Angeles. -Cindy : I don't like Devil's planet very much too but I notice there's a story of moon. In year One, no planet has any moons meanwhile the green planet in AB Chrysalis has twelve moons. In "a Journey to Nowhere"; Koenig tells helena this planet may have six or seven moons. In "Devil Planet", I like the power of the foreigner Koenig who only can survive in the tranporter! But you are right : the huntwomen seem to come from the Moulin Rouge. It's a stupid story ans the settings are hideous! Moonbasealpha S1 : I like "AB Chrisallis" and especially the sequence of the Origin . Remember when Koenig takes a pen and draws the solar system, the Guardian answers : "If you are earthling, I'm bringing oxygen!"  It means the people of this world still knew our blue planet and so i think it's mysterious!Fred 9000  |
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| JackTheFool 13 Jan 2003 16:36:41 |
I agree Devil's Moon is pretty bad. But I still say Catacombs of the Moon is unwatchable. Jack The Fool |
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| Validus 13 Jan 2003 18:21:14 |
As bad as The Rules of Luton is, I have a soft spot for it for one reason and one reason alone. I always feel touched by the scene where Commander Koenig tells Miya about his first wife and we actually see him become choked up with emotion almost to the point of tears. It's a pity the rest of the episode could not have been as poignant. | ||||
| JackTheFool 13 Jan 2003 19:45:59 |
I agree that was a great character moment for Koenig. The episode overall is pretty bad...but it's watchable. Jack The Fool |
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| Eagle One 15 Jan 2003 05:27:41 |
I can't remember the title but the one with Brian the Brain is the worst of all IMO. | ||||
| Validus 16 Jan 2003 10:09:09 |
Ironically...you actually got the title spot on. What archery.... "Brian the Brain" Isn't it funny- Star trek fans generally believe that the very worst episode of the original series was "Spock's Brain." I guess a sure fire formula for failure is to put the "brain" in the title and not in the actual script. |
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| Flamegrape 16 Jan 2003 16:36:48 |
 "Brain? What is.. brain?"  |
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| Validus 16 Jan 2003 20:45:26 |
. . . . .(at that point Validus fell from his keyboard and gut-laughed for a full four minutes). . . . .  |
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| Eagle One 16 Jan 2003 23:40:44 |
Worst of all Brian the Brain followed closely by Catacombs of the Moon followed closely by All that Gliters Nearly as bad The Rules of Luton The Mark of Archanon The Beta Cloud The Taybor I would put AB Chrysalis and Devils Planet on the list but the cute chicks make the episodes watchable.  |
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| Eagle One 16 Jan 2003 23:44:00 |
The infamous SpockBot Yes, the worst of all orginal Star Trek episodes. |
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| Cindy 19 Jan 2003 18:17:23 |
After Devil's planet, for me, rules of luton and all that gliters are very bad. Anyway, episodes I don't like are in Season 2. |
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| cmdrkoenig 19 Jan 2003 22:34:39 |
The beta Cloud...YEUCH! What awful tripe that is. | ||||
| cmdrkoenig 19 Jan 2003 22:35:58 |
Brian the Brain was also extremely annoying and hideous to watch. | ||||
| Validus 21 Jan 2003 08:19:03 |
I've yet to actually sit through "The Beta Cloud". As much bad press as it's gotten here at the forum I imagine it must be deliciously dreadful. Can't wait |
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| JackTheFool 21 Jan 2003 17:03:58 |
Hey!!! That Spock Bot was COOOLLL!!! Jack |
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| tombrock 23 Jan 2003 18:32:40 |
Validus: The Beta Cloud is as bad as it gets. It's even worse than anything anyone can describe. As a fourteen year old, I was embarrassed to watch it. As a grown adult, I find it impossible to sit through. One can only feel for Martin Landau and Barbara Bain...imagine how they must have felt, essentially being forced to do this. It is the quintessential Year Two episode...embodying everything that went wrong with the show. It makes Lost in Space look like Shakespeare.  |
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| Borg Duck 23 Jan 2003 20:48:22 |
What was the one with all the suds |
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| gba_cmdr 23 Jan 2003 20:58:36 |
That was called Space Brain. Not too bad an episode though it did have similarities to Ring Around the Moon, too. |
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| tombrock 23 Jan 2003 21:44:50 |
Space Brain [from Year One] suffered more from a cheesy 50s B-movie title than anything else; it really wasn't a bad episode at all--the concept behind it was actually very intriguing...the foam effects were top-notch...once again Barry Gray's use of library music [one of Holst's Planet Suites...can't remember which one, I think it was Mars, Bringer of War] was superb...it perfectly matched the action. The show got lots of flak for that episode and I never really understood why. If you want to level criticism at a year One show, you can't get much worse than Ring Around the Moon...which had almost no plot, an inordinate deal of repetitive action, some of the worse editing/directing of the entire series [particularly bad is a scene where Helena "materializes" through a door and Kano saves the day by pulling someone out of the way in time so she didn't burn them up on the way through them; obviously the camera was stopped mid-way and Barbara Bain placed in front of the door and the camera restarted...but they didn't even bother to match up the action. People jumped in the scene from one position to another. It just should have been cut altogether. And Vic Elms musical score was just plain irritating and weird. The only other episode which comes close in Year One is Matter of Life and Death--it had incredible possibility, a fair amount of tension building, and then this completely unbelievable ending that left you speechless. It's a shame...it sounds like Art Wallace's original script--though not necessarily suited in its raw form for the series or its characters--was a fascinating story. It is the only Johnny Byrne piece that truly sucks. I think it was his first assignment. Based on that, I am surprised they asked him to stay on, but I'm glad they did. But I am digressing from the topic, which is bad episodes of Year Two...sort of a repetitive xtatement, isn't it? Bad Episodes...Year Two? It's hard to say what was the worst. Beta Cloud certainly has to be in the running. Brian the Brain was stupid, but I can't honestly say it was the worst. Space Warp is awfully bad. And Matter of Balance is just abysmal the whole way round...awful acting, awful script, awful costumes, awful directing...and it COULD have been so well done, had it been a Year One episode. Devil's Planet COULD have been a good episode if they had managed to get beyond the Amazons in Tights theme. It was a decent story, with decent performances...but like all Year Two stories it rapidly degenerated into chase sequences with terribly irritating music. I know a lot of fans like Wadsworth's score, but I personally find his stuff not only irritating, but unprofessional sounding. Very tinny and nerve-wracking. In Year One, you were often sort of "unaware" of the background score--it was there, it was often perfect, it did an incredible job setting the mood...but you weren't entirely conscious that the atmosphere was being set by a score. To me, that's the mark of a good movie score. Music that is evocative and atmospheric and melds almost imperceptibly with the image. With Wadsworth crap, I find myself keenly aware of how loud it is, how overbearing it is, and how--for whatever reason--you just want to shake your foot uncontrollably to the beat of it. I hated almost everything about his music...from the new title theme to the later stuff that was full of all this psuedo outer-space electronics stuff. Don't know what else to call it. Anyway...his music was just one element that pulled the show down...and Barry Gray's score would have been completely out of place anyway. I must admit to being surprised at people's reactions to Catacombs of the Moon. I thought that was a very well done episode...it is one of the few episodes of the second season that had strong hints of the same kind of atmosphere and feel of Year One. The only thing that ruined it for me were the lousy special effects sequences here and there, Maya turning into things [especially a lion to "force" them out of the caves...they had to KNOW it was Maya and she would hardly have "attacked" them...I mean, who would legitimately be afraid...plus, the woman had a WEAK HEART for Godsake...if you really thought you WOULD scare them out of the caves, why in God's name would you turn into a lion and hassle a woman with a failing heart?], and the dumb-ass Fred Freiberger comment in the end trying to explain how the "space storm" might have communicated with Patrick Osgood. Had it been a Year One story it would have just been left at that...no explanation. Just something you had to accept at face value and move on in order to enjoy the story. I've rambled long enough... |
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| RBAdams 23 Jan 2003 21:52:27 |
I gotta agree. "Catacombs of the Moon" gets a bad rap. In theme and mood, it's about as close to Year One as Year Two ever got, along with "Mark of Archanon" and "The Exiles." |
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