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Yeah......... Balor can't take off from the moon!
although it's moving!
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| F-9000 11 Feb 2003 07:15:14 |
Hello earthlings, What do you think of Balor's powers? OK, he's the strongest man in the Universe but when Paul Morrow opens the sas, how can the ennemy take off from the moon and float into deep space? : http://www.space1999.net/~catacombs/main/i...oe/speoe136.jpg Another detail that no one noticed : when John Koenigs hids the Air Lock panels : http://www.space1999.net/~catacombs/main/i...oe/speoe136.jpg Do you really think Balor can read English and latin alphabet???  Perhaps Taybor teached him our language with his trading-card!??  Last but not least, do you think Balor comes back to his asteroid? Will he paint other desolated pictures to pass the time?  F-9000 |
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| F-9000 11 Feb 2003 07:16:40 |
I'm sorry, the second image I wanted to show is this one : http://www.space1999.net/~catacombs/main/i...oe/speoe126.jpg F-9000 |
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| JackTheFool 11 Feb 2003 18:14:03 |
I think he's out there floating in space being bored. Somehow, I doubt he made it back to the asteroid. Jack |
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| Martin 11 Feb 2003 19:26:28 |
I doubt Balor would have been propelled past lunar escape velocity, although he would have been shot a considerable distance through the lunar sky before landing. I was thinking of this today when I saw this... a deep sea example of explosive decompression... (warning... people fond of crusteans may be alarmed at this ...) Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County Crustacea Laboratory film |
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| Cindy 11 Feb 2003 22:29:06 |
I think Balor can read english as all others (Taybor...) | ||
| Eagle One 15 Feb 2003 00:21:56 |
I always figured after he was blasted out the airlock, he would have been severely injuried by the decompression. He might have regenerated given time but the Alphains wasted his remains with lasers etc and put whatever was left back in the asteroid and sealed it back up. I don't think going out the air lock would have carried him away from the moon either. I don't think it was necessary to show his grisley end. | ||
| Senmut 31 Jul 2003 02:58:47 |
No, I doubt Balor could have reached escape velocity. I'm sure he floated back to the ground somewhere, but I doubt the Alphans went looking for him. Foolish of them! As to the re=appearing asteroid, perhaps TPTB on Progron exiled more than just one man! | ||
| moonbasealpha_s1 31 Jul 2003 03:31:14 |
He did return to the asteroid. It was very obvious. As to how it happened, well, as of much of S99 S1, it just was not explained. Evil MUF?!!? Hmmm...Progron exiling more than one person? Now THERE is a unique (not to mention scary) thought...Very good Senny... |
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| RBAdams 31 Jul 2003 04:06:04 |
All this just reminds me what a truly wonderful episode this is. One of the top 5 episodes of the series, and by extension one of the best single episodes of ANY SF TV series ever made. | ||
| The Obsolete Man 31 Jul 2003 05:49:28 |
It is an excellent episode, with genuine insight into some of the darkest aspects of human psychology. I do agree that showing Balor floating free in space at the end was implausible. I think something along the lines of Eagle One's scenario might make sense, except that it might have dragged the episode out beyond its dramatic conclusion, to show a lot of details of how the Alphans deal with Balor's body once it's on the moon. I tend to agree with Moonbasealpha_s1, though, that he must have made it back to the asteroid. Otherwise, why would Koenig attempt to have it blown up? And why show the asteroid regenerate itself, unless to show that Balor's captivity can have no end? Perhaps a scene of a spacesuited Koenig and comrades putting Balor's body back in the asteroid, with some mention by Helena that it appears his body is just in a state of stasis, rather than dead, would have made sense, before showing us the scene where Koenig tries to have the asteroid destroyed. Though it's also made me wonder, does an immortal like Balor need oxygen, or a temperate environment, to survive? Could he survive in a vacuum, and could he still function? Or would he go into a dormant phase, ready to come back to animated life, like the creature found frozen in the ice in the movie The Thing? The image of Balor, on the surface of the moon, getting up again, and pounding on the outer door of the airlock trying to get back in, is a potentially frightening one. At the very least, the episode would work better if that single shot of Balor free floating in space right after being blown out the airlock were cut from the episode--just showing him get sucked out the door would have been more effective. |
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| Chomachi 01 Aug 2003 20:12:37 |
I find it hard to believe that Balor could have magically re-entered the asteroid. As for them blowing it up, maybe it was an alternative to having the thing stuck in orbit (and somebody went Osgood with the explosives). I agree with Martin that Balor came to rest somewhere on the surface of the Moon...at which point Resurrection begins... Chom A.  |
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| moonbasealpha_s1 03 Aug 2003 09:16:53 |
Then by that same argument, Chom, do you reject the endings of say "Collision Course" and "The Black Sun"? Those two have magical type endings as well. To me, thinking as an engineer, the ending of EofE is obvious. They destroyed the asteroid and then...it reappeared. That strongly implies that he somehow managed to get back in the asteroid (otherwise, why bother having it reappear). Unless of course, the reappearance of the asteroid was symbolic of Balor's reappearance.... But then, by the same token, they were really dead after CC and BS and just symbolically alive? Got a headache yet?  |
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| Chomachi 03 Aug 2003 16:03:16 |
Actually, I don't reject the endings of CC or BS because there are clearly mysterious unknown forces at work. But there is no suggestion that any higher power was looking after Balor. My rejection of the "back in the asteroid" theory is due more to simple physics. I just don't believe that being ejected from an airlock on the Moon's surface could give him escape velocity. So when I read Resurrection I felt that it followed the episode logically. Your idea of the symbolic nature of the asteroid's reappearance is wickedly clever! As if a writer from 1974 could have presciently predicted the events of a novel based on his work some 28 years later!  Chom |
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| Senmut 06 Aug 2003 10:32:43 |
Maybe Balor has an evil twin? | ||
| captphil 06 Aug 2003 17:20:27 |
Hmmm?   http://www.space1999.net/~moonbase99/ratm/...m/ratm_edit.wav Could this be his theme song? |
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| Otis 18 Aug 2003 16:01:04 |
I just (re)saw EofE yesterday evening. I follow MoonBaseAlpha (MBA) : not understanding why alpha people cared about blasting the rock up, I assume that the reshaping of it means either : - it had tracked Balor back and emprisonned him again, remember : that "rock" has been stated by Victor as alive, if not intelligent, surely searchfull - Balor met it and still prefer to drifting for an other while, with the hope of finding a real scaled planet, more worthy of trying one's best little sadistic solutions to the essential boredom of eternity than limited alpha world However, the official title of the episode is "end" of eternity, no ? F9000, I don't understand the point of the added picture mme la deuxime, o est le truc ? Everybody : how can we explain the facility with which (?good english??) they open the door to Balor's body, when we see how in Collision Course Helena deny access to John back from his journey before checking ? Also : in the same CC, the injuried pilot seems to be very upset by the mere idea of beeing put aside for a few days only. That implies that he would expect flying a significant quantity during this time. Then my question : why do they fly so much ? What are their fuel supply ? |
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| Space1999! 25 Aug 2003 13:52:43 |
Hi there, I always took the scene where Balor appears to be floating in space after being sucked out through the airlock as evidence that he was being drawn back to his prison cell on the asteroid (or one-room-world as Victor so eloquently put it). It is quite obvious that there is no way for Balor to actually achieve escape velocity from the moon under normal conditions so some sort of mysterious force would be involved. It would have been a nice touch to have a couple of Alphans in spacesuits report no evidence of Balor's body outside of the airlock OR a report from the tracking station that an object was leaving the moon and heading towards the asteroid which inspires Koenig to have Alan blast the sucker. However, regardless of the lack of any on- screen explanation this episode is an excellent example of the bizarre dangers that the Alphans encounted and how, in the attempt to be well-meaning, they actually almost cause their own demise. Also, this episode above all shows John's utter bravery and devotion to his fellow Alphans. He personally takes on an immortal psychopath using only nerve, guile and wits. Little wonder that after this encounter that all would be willing to follow his leadership now given the small mutiny that occurred only two episodes before in Collision Course... perhaps his memory of that experience is what inspires him to face this danger to once and for all demonstrate to his fellow Alphans that he is the best choice as their leader and has undoubtedly earned and deserves their trust! |
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| Dada Baggins 31 Aug 2003 15:15:11 |
It's very difficult to think about this. A normal human being, expelled in space, has to...explode, or implode, no? Then if Balor, in this case, has the same characteristics of human beings, the episode is wrong. Anyway, a few seconds has to pass, before the...explosion...  If he has a VERY strong regenerating power, he doesn't have to explode. I don't think this is possible. Oops...I was forgetting...in Space:1999 ALL IS POSSIBLE!! In the first case, it is better that they didn't continue the scene... In the second case, they were "right"... Bye, Dada Baggins |
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