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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 13:38:30 -0500
From: David Welle <dwelle@itol.com>
Subject: Space1999: Digest Problems [ADMIN]
To Digest Subscribers:
This note may take awhile to get into a digest posting, because it is
currently waiting to gather 60K worth of individual notes before sending a
digest. The volume number has also reverted to an old one, and this first
post-crash digest also included some material from 1997, believe it or not.
The last thing should not happen anymore, and we are aware of the other
two problems, and will get them fixed as soon as possible.
The list of subscribers should, however, be correct now, as the address
lists for all three 1999 list types were fixed yesterday.
- ----
David Welle
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:00:27 EDT
From: LKJ1999@aol.com
Subject: Space1999: TRIVIA 99 A question Alan
In what Y-2 episode does Alan say....
Gary, what's your ETA...
Good luck....
Chas P. LKJ1999
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:53:25 -0500
From: David Welle <dwelle@itol.com>
Subject: Space1999: Dorzak in the UK [FWD]
>From: "Brian Dowling" <techlab5@space1999.com>
>Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:45:16 +0100
>Subject: Dozak in the UK
>
>Boy it sure is quiet round here!
>
>Dorzak was scheduled to be shown on BBC2 this afternoon. French
>Open tennis was being shown before, and the BBC schedulers again
>left insufficient time to cater for the events at Roland Garros.
>
>The result was that Dorzak was postponed - I called the programme
>information department this afternoon and questioned what the BBC
>would be doing with the episode, bearing in mind BBC Wales' recent
>treatment of Devil's Planet, and was told that it would be shown soon
>but they could not confirm a date at that time.
>
>Yet again the BBC have demonstrated their ineptitude and lack of
>care for those who pose simple, honest questions to them.
>
>And here it is law that people who own televisions must pay GBP 100
>per year, regardless of whether they watch BBC television or not.
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:50:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mona Delitsky <mona@nimbus.yorku.ca>
Subject: Space1999: Nifty Fanzines,
Yo, Alphans !
COSMOCONNECTION was the first Space:1999 fanzine (published in
the 1976-79 time frame), and included great Space:1999 art and
stories. COSMOCONNECTION 1-5 are all available.
If interested, please send check or money order
made out to 'Mona Delitsky' at the following address:
Mona Delitsky
P.O. Box 1522
La Canada, California 91012
The price per issue is $5 US, plus $2 US (each issue) for shipping.
For Overseas orders, add $3 each for shipping.
(Therefore, the set of 5 would cost $35 US domestic; $45 for overseas.)
(Please remit in US dollars.)
The covers and descriptions of COSMOCONNECTION # 1 - 5 are at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8722/vmfanfic.html.
Other info:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8722/wrefimona.html
Love that Moonbase !
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:35:15 -0400
From: "Clif" <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: New Books [FWD]
> >Our first novel is entitled, Mary's Monster. We hope some of you may be
> >interested in reading it!
What is it about? : )
- --Clif
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:36:58 -0400
From: "Clif" <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: mpegs [FWD]
David, is it really necessary to resend MoonBubba's messages? I get them
just fine, but I don't like WebTv's business of formatting the body of the
message as an attachment.
- --Clif
"Greater justice you shall pursue."
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:43:39 -0400
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Space1999: Petter & RATM--Whatta Coincidence!
Dude, you're either obsessed or you're some CIA fruitcake come to play with
the heads of a sci-fi subculture. Get off it, already! If variety is the
spice of life, your food must be English. : )
- --Clif
> This is of course from RING AROUND THE MOON, the episode that really
> defines SPACE:1999. It is perhaps due time that we had some serious
> discussion about this episode again.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:52:00 -0400
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding to an
episode of Space: 1999...
- --Clif
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:06:01 -0600
From: "Robert C. Gilbert" <bcpgd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
Clif wrote:
> Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding to an
> episode of Space: 1999...
A lot of other shows he copied S99 ---- I.E.: TNG, The whole Resistance
is Futile thing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:06:13 -0600
From: "Robert C. Gilbert" <bcpgd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
Clif wrote:
> Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding to an
> episode of Space: 1999...
A lot of other shows have copied S99 ---- I.E.: TNG, The whole
Resistance is Futile thing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
- --
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sarah Lindsay <magneto@bc.seflin.org>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
what did he say?
On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Clif wrote:
> Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding to an
> episode of Space: 1999...
>
> --Clif
>
> "Greater justice you shall pursue."
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:06:53 -0400
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
This month's Playboy robs our show...
Sci-Fi TV, pg. 126 by Daniel Rosh
SUPERNOVA (Ten Best Shows)
1) The Twilight Zone (Sci-Fi? Gimme a break!)
2) Star Trek: The Next Generation
3) The Prisoner
4) Star Trek
5) Dr. Who
6) Cold Lazarus
7) The X-Files
8) Max Headroom (Sci-Fi?)
9) V: The Miniseries
10) Quark
BLACK HOLES (Ten Worst Shows)
1) Lost in Space
2) It's About Time
3) Wild Palms
4) Galactica 1980 (I'd Have to Agree...)
5) Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (Playboy says, "Beedeebeedeebeedee,
show sucks, Buck!"--I'd have to disagree...)
6) Small Wonder
7) The Starlost
8) Mercy Point
9) Woops!
10) Baywatch Nights
ESSENTIAL SCI-FI TV GIZMOS
Transporter (Star Trek)
K-9
Omni (Voyager)
Stun Gun (Space: 1999 Playboy says: "No mess; no permanent damage and you
can ask questions later.")
Tom Servo and Crow T. Robot
Okay, so Space:1999 did get mentioned, but for its STUN GUN? What kind of
hooey is that? A show like Space: 1999, which has gotten such extreme
reviews, both good and bad, doesn't find a place in their ten best OR ten
worst? What crap!
To write them an angry letter:
Dear Playboy
680 North Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, IL 60611
FAX 312-649-9534
Email: dearpb@playboy.com
Include your daytime phone number.
- --Clif
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anthony DiPietro <atd1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1st viewing of later 2nd season episodes
- --- Nick Abadzis <nick@nabad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<good stuff snipped to save space>
I had a chance to watch Year 2 a few weeks back when
I got the entire collection on laserdisc (since sold
off)...
Anyway, I didn't find the problem with Year 2 to be
the stories (in general). It was their execution that
was the problem. Too many monsters, too much Maya,
etc. The core story was good, it was the elements
around it that made it bad. I didn't even like the
uniforms! Yes, the skirts on the women were a nice
addition and made things a bit "softer" than the Year
One unisex outfits, BUT look at them -- the turtleneck
collar, the color-coding was even cheapened on these
uniforms...didn't like that.
The small scale was another factor that I didn't
like.
As for Seance Spectre, I think it was an OK
episode, but I didn't like the Alphans blowing up the
nuclear waste. It was a silly way to move the Moon -
what if the Moon fell apart or became so unihabitable
from the nuclear waste (which it probably should have
the first time around!)? I think blowing up nuclear
waste was a too often used thing in Year Two (B.O.W.'s
aliens wanted to blow the waste and I think there was
another episode about the nuclear waste?)...
Oh well - I don't want to "bash" Year Two as I
respect those who prefer it to Year One, but to me the
essence of S:1999 is bottled up in Year One.
Anthony
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:10:34 -0400
From: "Clif" <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
Watch the frickin' movie before you comment, Robert. There isn't any
"copying" going on. He's ALLUDING to a show he saw... When you've rented
the movie and seen what I'm talking about, maybe you tell us what ep it is.
(Gee, you sound kinda preemptive.)
And it was "Ransom".. Sorry about the typo.
- --Clif
"Greater justice you shall pursue."
> Clif wrote:
> > Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding
to an
> > episode of Space: 1999...
>
> A lot of other shows he copied S99 ---- I.E.: TNG, The whole Resistance
> is Futile thing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:11:57 -0400
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
Rent the movie and see. I had just thought of sharing it, though I'd seen
the movie a while ago. If I had the flick, here, I'd transcribe it.
- --Clif
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:21:18 -0600
From: "Robert C. Gilbert" <bcpgd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
Clif wrote:
> This month's Playboy robs our show...
> ESSENTIAL SCI-FI TV GIZMOS
> Transporter (Star Trek)
> K-9
> Omni (Voyager)
> Stun Gun (Space: 1999 Playboy says: "No mess; no permanent damage and you
> can ask questions later.")
> Tom Servo and Crow T. Robot
> Okay, so Space:1999 did get mentioned, but for its STUN GUN? What kind of
> hooey is that? A show like Space: 1999, which has gotten such extreme
> reviews, both good and bad, doesn't find a place in their ten best OR ten
> worst? What crap!
Just thank God they didn't say anything negative!
> To write them an angry letter:
> Dear Playboy
> 680 North Lake Shore Drive
> Chicago, IL 60611
> FAX 312-649-9534
> Email: dearpb@playboy.com
> Include your daytime phone number.
Okey!
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:30:05 -0400
From: "Clif" <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Space1999: Hey Admin...
Hey Admin, I think I might be getting double posts, again.
- --Clif
"Greater justice you shall pursue."
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Robert C. Gilbert <bcpgd@home.com>
To: Clif <brclif@digital.net>; All Alphan Personell
<Space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
> Clif wrote:
> > Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding
to an
> > episode of Space: 1999...
>
> A lot of other shows he copied S99 ---- I.E.: TNG, The whole Resistance
> is Futile thing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
>
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:48:44 -0600
From: "Robert C. Gilbert" <bcpgd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Hey Admin...
Clif wrote:
> Hey Admin, I think I might be getting double posts, again.
> > Clif wrote:
> > > Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding
> to an
> > > episode of Space: 1999...
> > A lot of other shows he copied S99 ---- I.E.: TNG, The whole Resistance
> > is Futile thing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
No I hit Cancel after the spell checker replaced the wrong word! So it
got sent twice!
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 18:08:05
From: Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
Clif:
>Watch the frickin' movie before you comment, Robert. There isn't any
>"copying" going on. He's ALLUDING to a show he saw... When you've rented
>the movie and seen what I'm talking about, maybe you tell us what ep it is.
>(Gee, you sound kinda preemptive.)
Is it just me, or are other people totally baffled by this little
disagreement?
JeffStoat
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:15:43 -0600 (CST)
From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1999 Allusion
On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Robert C. Gilbert wrote:
> Clif wrote:
> > Someone watch Gary Sinise in "Ramsom" and tell me if he isn't alluding to an
> > episode of Space: 1999...
>
> A lot of other shows he copied S99 ---- I.E.: TNG, The whole Resistance
> is Futile thing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
This reminds me of one of the first Babylon 5 episodes I saw, which is the
first season one with the Soul Hunters. Somehow the idea of these folks,
and the makeup effects used to create them, seemed very 1999-ish to me.
tim gueguen 101867
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:25:15 -0600 (CST)
From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Clif wrote:
> This month's Playboy robs our show...
You naughty boy! You shouldn't be reading such a publication, it'll rot
your mind and give you evil ideas!
>
> Sci-Fi TV, pg. 126 by Daniel Rosh
>
> SUPERNOVA (Ten Best Shows)
> 1) The Twilight Zone (Sci-Fi? Gimme a break!)
> 2) Star Trek: The Next Generation
> 3) The Prisoner
> 4) Star Trek
> 5) Dr. Who
> 6) Cold Lazarus
> 7) The X-Files
> 8) Max Headroom (Sci-Fi?)
Well, a series about a computer generated tv personality doesn't really
fit any other category.
> 9) V: The Miniseries
I really don't think V is very good, and it certainly doesn't rank up
there with these others. The tv series version of Alien Nation for
example seems to be a much better candidate.
> 10) Quark
>
> BLACK HOLES (Ten Worst Shows)
> 1) Lost in Space
> 2) It's About Time
Don't know this one.
> 3) Wild Palms
> 4) Galactica 1980 (I'd Have to Agree...)
> 5) Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (Playboy says, "Beedeebeedeebeedee,
> show sucks, Buck!"--I'd have to disagree...)
And people thought 1999 was plastic and sterile looking! Then there's
Buck teaching the 25th Century people disco....
> 6) Small Wonder
What an easy role for a child actor, or any other actor. Just walk around
talking in a monotone.
> 7) The Starlost
If you've ever seen it you know just how bad it was.
> 8) Mercy Point
> 9) Woops!
> 10) Baywatch Nights
The cast of Baywatch aren't convincing as lifeguards, so why would anyone
find them convincing as ersatz Fox Mulders?
>
> ESSENTIAL SCI-FI TV GIZMOS
> Transporter (Star Trek)
> K-9
> Omni (Voyager)
> Stun Gun (Space: 1999 Playboy says: "No mess; no permanent damage and you
> can ask questions later.")
> Tom Servo and Crow T. Robot
>
>
> Okay, so Space:1999 did get mentioned, but for its STUN GUN? What kind of
> hooey is that?
Especially since the idea of a non-lethal ray gun probably dates back to
Jules Verne or H.G. Wells. The design itself is cool looking, but the
concept was far from original.
tim gueguen 101867
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: South Central <Tamazunchale@webtv.net>
Subject: Space1999: The Metamorph
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Has anyone noticed that despite being held prisoner by Mentor,, that at
the beginning of The Metamorph Itoward the end of the episode title
sequence, that it is clearly Fraser's voice saying something like
"Combat Eagle 6 ready" or something similar.?
Mateo
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<html>
Going to Breakaway? Find out who else is going on my
<html>
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~tamazunchale/index-HOME.html">HOME
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:08:36 +0100
From: "Brian Dowling" <techlab5@space1999.com>
Subject: Space1999: test
test message, please ignore
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: moonbubba@webtv.net (moon bubba)
Subject: Space1999: OT:Rollerball
I know there are some classical movie experts on the list. So I was
wondering if anyone knew what the name of the theme music is on
Rollerball. Starring James Cahn. Its a classical music type piece,
similar to Spach Zarusthra,the theme to 2001:A Space Odyssey. Its a
scary music piece played with a pipe organ. Its probably been the theme
to a couple dozen local scary movie shows,like Shock Theatre or
something. Probably been in several scary movies too. Been on lots of
commercials and things too. At the end of the movie it says something
about adagio. But thats not any help,there are lots of midis with that
name. I've tried several by Bach,but havent been able to find it. If
anyone knows what I'm talking about let me know.
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:49:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: moonbubba@webtv.net (moon bubba)
Subject: Space1999: OT: Tchaikovsky
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I've included a link for anyone thats interested in helping in the
search for the theme to Rollerball.
Visit Moonbubba's Moonbase at
http://members.tripod.com/~moonbubba/home.html
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X-URL-Title: Classical MIDI Archives - Tchaikovsky
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:47:22 +0200
From: Ekmar Brand <Ekmar.Brand@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
Clif wrote:
> This month's Playboy robs our show...
>
> Sci-Fi TV, pg. 126 by Daniel Rosh
>
> SUPERNOVA (Ten Best Shows)
> 1) The Twilight Zone (Sci-Fi? Gimme a break!)
Some episodes are sci-fi, other episodes are horror and fantasy.
> 2) Star Trek: The Next Generation
> 3) The Prisoner
Sci-Fi?
> 4) Star Trek
> 5) Dr. Who
> 6) Cold Lazarus
I never heard about this series.
> 7) The X-Files
> 8) Max Headroom (Sci-Fi?)
> 9) V: The Miniseries
> 10) Quark
In Germany unknown, too.
> BLACK HOLES (Ten Worst Shows)
> 1) Lost in Space
Is it really so worse?
> 2) It's About Time
> 3) Wild Palms
> 4) Galactica 1980 (I'd Have to Agree...)
> 5) Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (Playboy says, "Beedeebeedeebeedee,
> show sucks, Buck!"--I'd have to disagree...)
I like BUCK ROGERS very much.
> 6) Small Wonder
> 7) The Starlost
> 8) Mercy Point
> 9) Woops!
> 10) Baywatch Nights
This is not a sci-fi series!
Really awful is "The Fantastic Journey" which is not in the list.
And I miss "SPACE:1999" in the top ten list with the best series!
> ESSENTIAL SCI-FI TV GIZMOS
> Transporter (Star Trek)
> K-9
> Omni (Voyager)
> Stun Gun (Space: 1999 Playboy says: "No mess; no permanent damage and you
> can ask questions later.")
> Tom Servo and Crow T. Robot
>
>
> Okay, so Space:1999 did get mentioned, but for its STUN GUN? What kind of
> hooey is that? A show like Space: 1999, which has gotten such extreme
> reviews, both good and bad, doesn't find a place in their ten best OR ten
> worst? What crap!
>
> To write them an angry letter:
>
> Dear Playboy
> 680 North Lake Shore Drive
> Chicago, IL 60611
>
> FAX 312-649-9534
>
> Email: dearpb@playboy.com
>
> Include your daytime phone number.
>
> --Clif
I think, the writer of this list don't know much about science fiction series.
Ekmar
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:26:04 +0100
From: Nick Abadzis <nick@nabad.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1st viewing of later 2nd season episodes
Anthony,
>
> I had a chance to watch Year 2 a few weeks back when
>I got the entire collection on laserdisc (since sold
>off)...
>
> Anyway, I didn't find the problem with Year 2 to be
>the stories (in general). It was their execution that
>was the problem. Too many monsters, too much Maya,
>etc. The core story was good, it was the elements
>around it that made it bad.
Basically, yeah. Like I said, I always find myself wishing that there were
more episodes in existence with the style of year one, but that's my "adult"
self talking with my "adult" appreciation of the show. With 1999, the style
with which a story was executed was extremely important, and it was a real
wrench when that style changed so drastically in Y2. I missed certain
characters (still do) and wish that the overall premise of Y1 had been
expanded upon and developed, not curtailed and forced into a more
"comic-strip" (as Chris Penfold called it in the documentary) format. But
because I watched it and loved the series as a whole so much as a kid, I
find I can't help but have a certain amount of affection for it (Y2), which
does colour my opinions, to a degree. (But not that great a degree). That's
what I was trying to put across, the fact that where watching these episodes
was concerned, I didn't have any childhood memories to rely on as a starting
point. Watching "Immunity Syndrome" first was a happy accident, as usually I
just kind of switch off any critical faculties I might have when viewing Y2
eps, and this ep. didn't quite allow me to do that. The others I just kind
of enjoyed 'em for what they were and tried not to think too hard about it:
the thoughts I put down were just my initial, fresh reactions.
I read somewhere that there's a school of thought suggesting that the two
years of the show take place in alternate realities: this seems to me quite
a handy way of getting around the massive change of style between the two
seasons and suggests that there's still a moon out there containing the Y1
cast in all-new adventures! (I like that idea and would be quite happy to
see it pursued it if a 1999 revival of some kind happened. Dramatically, it
allows for all sorts of new interpretations of both years' versions of
Moonbase Alpha).
As for Maya, I always found her character to be a bit of a dramatic get-out
clause when the Alphans were in a tight spot: change into a tiger or
something, scare off the bad monster-aliens and we'll be OK. Having said
that, I can't find fault with Catherine Schell for taking a lot of hokey
ideas and dialogue and managing to invest her whole performance with great
charm.
I didn't even like the
>uniforms! Yes, the skirts on the women were a nice
>addition and made things a bit "softer" than the Year
>One unisex outfits, BUT look at them -- the turtleneck
>collar, the color-coding was even cheapened on these
>uniforms...didn't like that.
Visually, I think Y2 tends to have a dated, 70's look to it that Y1
generally transcends: Y1 is its own thing, kind of timeless;
self-encapsulated if you like, like, say, 2001: A Space Odyssey.
> The small scale was another factor that I didn't
>like.
Yes, I missed the grandeur and scope of Y1. But, although Y2 really overdid
it at times, I did like the injection of a little more down-to-earth (if
you'll pardon the accidental pun) humanity, although if the series had been
left to develop naturally, I think this would have found its way in anyway.
> As for Seance Spectre, I think it was an OK
>episode, but I didn't like the Alphans blowing up the
>nuclear waste. It was a silly way to move the Moon -
>what if the Moon fell apart or became so unihabitable
>from the nuclear waste (which it probably should have
>the first time around!)? I think blowing up nuclear
>waste was a too often used thing in Year Two (B.O.W.'s
>aliens wanted to blow the waste and I think there was
>another episode about the nuclear waste?)...
Well, this is kind of what I'm getting at, I think: if you start poking too
much of a critical stick at most eps. in Y2, it all kind of falls apart, at
least for me. Taken at its own level, it's kind of fun but the Y1 episodes I
can watch over and over and "get" new stuff from again and again; and I'll
continue watching them over and over. Since BBC2 have been showing the Y2
eps, I've been tending to watch them with a sort of childish/childlike
affection - it's nostalgia, rather than a current and ongoing appreciation.
In my head, they're barely the same show, and I dunno how often I'm gonna
need a dose of that particular nostalgia.
Where the nuclear waste thang is concerned, scientifically speaking, the
moon should never have left orbit in the first place, like you say. But I
think that's missing the point of the show (at least in Y1). The alphans
are sent on this incredible voyage for some sort of a reason (with ref. to
various MUF debates) and it's all OUT INTO THE UNKNOWN. The journey is the
thing. But you're right, where "Seance Spectre" is concerned, it is probably
a bit of a daft way to move the moon, especially when you realise the
Alphans have influenced their course before (in "Collision Course") with
that ring of bombs floating in space. OK, it didn't quite work properly then
'cause they're then on their way to bash into Aetheria (sp.?), but surely
they could have used the same basic blueprint for course correction without
resorting to the crudeness of another lunar-surface explosion? Maybe I'm
getting a little pedantic with myself here, but I think this perhaps
illustrates the kind of problems one bumps into when comparing the two
seasons with the same set of critical rules; i.e. it won't work because the
two seasons are just too different stylistically, and set out to acheive
different manifestos.
> Oh well - I don't want to "bash" Year Two as I
>respect those who prefer it to Year One, but to me the
>essence of S:1999 is bottled up in Year One.
>
>Anthony
Oh, yeah, I agree, because I think that's me (if you follow)... Ultimately,
it's as you say,the execution of the stories was more what defined them than
the actual scripts and concepts. Is it possible to have two separate
appreciations of the different series? Am I sitting on the fence? I hope
not. To clarify: I love Y1, then and now, and the kid-me still likes bits of
Y2, to the continual derison and critical raspberries blown by the adult-me.
Thrrrp! :)
Admitting to a private ambition, also (I work professionally as a writer and
cartoonist), I think I'd like to resolve - or continue - the story of the Y1
Alphans somehow. Who knows? Maybe I'll get the chance one day.
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:01:33 +0100
From: "Brian Dowling" <techlab5@space1999.com>
Subject: Space1999: Back on the list...
Hi folks,
Methinks there was some kind of problem with my e-mail over the last
week... if anyone sent me e-mail and it bounced or got no reply,
please send it again.
Just in case the web and e-mail forwarding fails again, both URLs and
e-mail addresses are now in my sig.
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:01:33 +0100
From: "Brian Dowling" <techlab5@space1999.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: OT:Rollerball
Hi folks,
moon bubba wrote:
> I know there are some classical movie experts on the list. So I was
> wondering if anyone knew what the name of the theme music is on
> Rollerball. Starring James Cahn. Its a classical music type piece,
> similar to Spach Zarusthra,the theme to 2001:A Space Odyssey. Its a
> scary music piece played with a pipe organ. Its probably been the theme
> to a couple dozen local scary movie shows,like Shock Theatre or
> something. Probably been in several scary movies too. Been on lots of
> commercials and things too. At the end of the movie it says something
> about adagio. But thats not any help,there are lots of midis with that
> name. I've tried several by Bach,but havent been able to find it. If
> anyone knows what I'm talking about let me know.
If it's the one I think it is, it's Toccata from Toccata & Fugue. Bach, I
think. Great stuff for a horror film!
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:20:01 -0400
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
> > 5) Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (Playboy says, "Beedeebeedeebeedee,
> > show sucks, Buck!"--I'd have to disagree...)
> And people thought 1999 was plastic and sterile looking! Then there's
> Buck teaching the 25th Century people disco....
Those ninnies. Of course it was plastic and sterile-looking... A good bit
of MBA IS plastic and the environment would be *pretty* sterile.
- --Clif
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:14:40 -0400
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
In the first corner we have "Breakaway" and in the other corner we have "the
Metamorph". Who will be the victor in this match?
Breakaway:
Watching this first CH tape... I was disappointed to see the newer ITC logo
used... Oh well...
In one of the first scenes of the nuclear waste dump, I noticed a moon buggy
in the background zipping along as if it was on the autobahn. : )
Yes, Barbara Bain was pretty stiff and the transitions between scenes for
Landau were awkward. I didn't quite understand Koenig's comment to Russell,
"I didn't know you cared." It seemed cold, unwarranted, and unexplained.
Hadn't Helena been doing everything to help Koenig solve the mystery that
was killing these men?
I noticed what was mentioned about the poor contrast in the CH tapes, at
least in the space scenes. Despite this, the tape was well worth the money
and I found it enjoyable.
There seemed to be some sort of chip on Alan Carter's shoulder. Why did he
get so uppity with Koenig so soon?
I liked the camera angle showing the pilot's hand tensing up into a claw. I
laughed. It was a definite "ruh-roh!" scene. "Something is amiss!" I
thought the guy stunned pretty well... Not your mama's "I've been stunned
with a Space:1999 pistol!" pose...
I thought that an apologetic explanation of Helena's stoicism was the fact
that she had been pulling the plug on a number of men of late. This,
coupled with the loss of her husband, could have turned her into an ice
woman.
I thought the first Eagle splashdown was great! Nothing to complain about,
there!
And watching the close shots of the 2nd (remote) Eagle laboring was cool.
The Eagle mid-air explosion was violent when I considered how the command
module, alone, seemed to be falling intact.
(We're really going through the Eagles, aren't we?)
I had to agree with Helena. What the hell was Koenig doing out there,
flying over danger? Does he have a deathwish or is he just stupid?
When the moon left orbit, I wondered why the space dock exploded. Did the
sudden change in gravity rip it apart?
I noticed the use of the description "dark side of the moon". My dad had a
big gripe about it and also wondered why the moon wasn't blown INTO the
earth if the waste dump was on the far side of the moon.
I thought Barry Morse and Nick Tate did a fine job... They were both quite
natural in their respective roles, maybe Morse more than Tate.
My dad, commenting on "Mission: Impossible", called Landau and Bain,
"Plastic Bookends". I personally thought that Landau was better than Bain,
but Barry Morse was the clear out-and-out best actor of "Breakaway".
I kinda hope for better from Year 1.
____________________
The Metamorph
I noticed that Helena said that they had just gone through their second
"space warp", which hurtled them 6 light years away from their previous
location. She seemed more light-hearted, now that Koenig had been around to
warm her heart.
I thought the girl who played "Annie" did a good job. She seemed quite
smitten by Bill Frasier.
What the heck was the deal with that coat that Koenig is wearing? It looks
like some kind of parka. Frankly, it looks "gay", not so much in the sense
of "homosexual" as in the sense of "guy in girl's clothing".
Did Eagle pilots do away with wearing space suits because they had grown
accustomed to exposure to the vacuum? ; )
Maya and Mentor were IMMEDIATELY powerful, charismatic and welcome
characters with a strong presence. I liked Mentor, even though he was
putting the screws to my Alphans. : ) And who could resist naive Maya,
unquestioningly loyal to her daddy, just like Miss Parker on the Pretender,
though Maya doesn't have Parker's icy demeanor. And how about that dress?
Get her in front of a light and you get to see her legs. : )
Koenig running into the various force fields (first the Alphan, then the
cell) was, to me, comical. After 20 episodes of that I'd be yelling "DAMN
FORCE FIELDS!" However, I wonder if there wasn't some symbolism, there,
like "running into a brick wall"... Alan also runs into it, though Maya
said to Koenig, "I should have warned you", no one warned Alan! You'll
notice that when Koenig makes a breakthrough with Maya and some resultant
headway in getting out of there, he looks at where the force field would be,
preventing himself from slamming into it.
Just now, thinking about Psychon, Maya seems like an unexcavated diamond.
This warm, caring thing of beauty (I say thing, because of her abilites) in
this ugly, inhospitable world.
I wonder if Helena, Alan, and Bill weren't under those brain suckers long
enough to suffer just a little brain damage. : )
When Tony decided to implement Directive 4 and Annie (Bill's girl) walked
into the room, I was surprised that she didn't try to assume command with a
phaser. Her hands were hidden, at first, and I thought she'd be frantically
distraught.
I thought that German shepherd was gonna tear Martin Landau a new one.
When Maya turned into a dove, it seemed a really nice touch, as the Dove's
darting glances seemed to mimic a person's reaction of surprised horror.
Was that just about the stupidest-looking Gorilla suit I'd ever seen, or was
it some kind of other creature?
It was great to see Annie happy that her man was coming back. You'd be
hard-pressed to convince me that Alphans weren't getting intimate before
Breakaway, or maybe that would explain Annie's terminal case of adolescent
puppy love. Whatever the case, I thought her emotional investment in her
man was admirable. Of course, that was back in the day when it was still
"trendy" to be a heterosexual female.
I thought it was ironic that Tony executed a Directive 4 on the very woman
who would eventually fall in love with him.
I see why Russell and Koenig become parent-figures to Maya, but I hope to
see her grieve more in later episodes.
______________
"The Metamorph" belts "Breakaway" hard in the jaw. T.K.O.! "The Metamorph"
is this tape's clear winner.
______________
- --Clif
"Greater justice you shall pursue."
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:55:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: moonbubba@webtv.net (moon bubba)
Subject: Space1999: Rollerball - J.S.Bach
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You were right. It is Toccata and Fugue in D- BMV 565. Great tune!
Thanks! There is a link to the midi page below. The twenty some year
mystery is over. It used to be the theme to our local weekly scary movie
program called Shock Theatre. And every week this theme music would
play,and then the host would introduce that weeks movie,like
Frankenstein,or Dracula,or maybe even Island Of Terror.<G> Now I know
what to look for when looking through CDs. I've always loved classical
music,but dont tell anyone. Everyone just thinks I like rock and roll.
As a matter of fact,one rock station I used to listen to,WEBN,102.7FM in
Cincinnati, used to play classical music for a few hours on Sunday
mornings. And I have the soundtrack for the series Cosmos by the late
great Professor Carl Sagan. There was some great music on there as well.
Now to see if I can find the music from Dragon's Domain. There is a link
to it at The Black Sun website. The theme was the only reason I taped
Rollerball. The end of the movie says Adagio Albinoni Giazotto(?) It
also says it was filmed at Pinewood studios! Another reason to keep the
movie. I'm trying to expand my classical music CD collection,which is
now only a handful of CDs,now I know what to look for,Thanks!
Visit Moonbubba's Moonbase at
http://members.tripod.com/~moonbubba/home.html
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:06:00 PDT
From: Michael Rogers <comlock@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
>Landau were awkward. I didn't quite understand Koenig's comment to
>Russell,
>"I didn't know you cared." It seemed cold, unwarranted, and unexplained.
>Hadn't Helena been doing everything to help Koenig solve the mystery that
>was killing these men?
>
I think you missed the point of this line. This line was supposed to say
"You just didn't want me to go because you like me!" to Helena. It was
supposed to hint at a spark between them. It was a poorly staged hint but
that's how I read it anyway.
Mike
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