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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:15:45 -0600
From: "Robert C. Gilbert" <bcpgd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
Clif wrote:
> What the heck was the deal with that coat that Koenig is wearing? It looks
> like some kind of parka. Frankly, it looks "gay", not so much in the sense
> of "homosexual" as in the sense of "guy in girl's clothing".
Are you calling the Star of our fav TV show a cross-dresser???
> When Tony decided to implement Directive 4 and Annie (Bill's girl) walked
> into the room, I was surprised that she didn't try to assume command with a
> phaser. Her hands were hidden, at first, and I thought she'd be frantically
> distraught.
Wasn't Bill Fraser's "Girl/Wife" named Anette?
> I thought that German shepherd was gonna tear Martin Landau a new one.
No kidding eh! But thanks to his taking "How to deal with Dangerous
Animals ---- the course" he was ready!
> I thought it was ironic that Tony executed a Directive 4 on the very woman
> who would eventually fall in love with him.
No accounting for an Italian's whims!
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:50:28 -0600 (CST)
From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Ekmar Brand wrote:
> Clif wrote:
> > This month's Playboy robs our show...
> >
> > Sci-Fi TV, pg. 126 by Daniel Rosh
> >
> > SUPERNOVA (Ten Best Shows)
>
> > 1) The Twilight Zone (Sci-Fi? Gimme a break!)
> Some episodes are sci-fi, other episodes are horror and fantasy.
>
> > 2) Star Trek: The Next Generation
>
> > 3) The Prisoner
> Sci-Fi?
Definitely has science fiction elements, including Rover, mind probes, the
switching of minds between bodies etc.
>
> > 4) Star Trek
>
> > 5) Dr. Who
>
> > 6) Cold Lazarus
> I never heard about this series.
It was a British made for tv movie dealing with suspended animation. I
watched
bits and pieces but can't remember the full plot.
>
> > 7) The X-Files
>
> > 8) Max Headroom (Sci-Fi?)
>
> > 9) V: The Miniseries
>
> > 10) Quark
> In Germany unknown, too.
It only lasted a few during the 1979 US tv season. Dealt with an
interstellar garbage ship and its clue.
>
>
> > BLACK HOLES (Ten Worst Shows)
>
> > 1) Lost in Space
> Is it really so worse?
>
> > 2) It's About Time
>
> > 3) Wild Palms
>
> > 4) Galactica 1980 (I'd Have to Agree...)
>
> > 5) Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (Playboy says, "Beedeebeedeebeedee,
> > show sucks, Buck!"--I'd have to disagree...)
> I like BUCK ROGERS very much.
>
> > 6) Small Wonder
>
> > 7) The Starlost
>
> > 8) Mercy Point
>
> > 9) Woops!
>
> > 10) Baywatch Nights
> This is not a sci-fi series!
Well, they tried to turn it into an X Files ripoff. Not surprisingly it
didn't work.
tim gueguen 101867
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:16:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ellen C. Lindow" <sfdxb@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Re: Space1999: 1st viewing of later 2nd season episodes
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Nick Abadzis wrote:
> I read somewhere that there's a school of thought suggesting that the two
> years of the show take place in alternate realities: this seems to me quite
> a handy way of getting around the massive change of style between the two
> seasons and suggests that there's still a moon out there containing the Y1
> cast in all-new adventures! (I like that idea and would be quite happy to
> see it pursued it if a 1999 revival of some kind happened. Dramatically, it
> allows for all sorts of new interpretations of both years' versions of
> Moonbase Alpha).
This is a concept that I found intriguing and it worked better than I
thought it would. If you're interested, take a look at my fanfic story
"Those Who Help Themselves" which uses this concept.
>
> Admitting to a private ambition, also (I work professionally as a writer and
> cartoonist), I think I'd like to resolve - or continue - the story of the Y1
> Alphans somehow. Who knows? Maybe I'll get the chance one day.
I'd like to see that. Most of my own fanfic tends toward a blend of Y1
and Y2. Since the fate of the missing Y1 characters was never spelled
out, I figure they're all still there somewhere, we just don't see them.
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Space1999: Classical MIDI Archives: A-E
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played at my funeral. Thanks to everyone that helped me find these great
songs.
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 18:16:44 -0500
From: David Welle <dwelle@itol.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
At 05:14 PM 06/06/99 -0400, Clif wrote:
>Yes, Barbara Bain was pretty stiff and the transitions between scenes for
>Landau were awkward. I didn't quite understand Koenig's comment to Russell,
>"I didn't know you cared." It seemed cold, unwarranted, and unexplained.
>Hadn't Helena been doing everything to help Koenig solve the mystery that
>was killing these men?
I'm afraid Bain's acting, or maybe the directing she was given, set the
tone for me about her character, one which I didn't like much until it
started lifting later in the season and in Y2.
>There seemed to be some sort of chip on Alan Carter's shoulder. Why did he
>get so uppity with Koenig so soon?
The Meta mission was supposed to be his (to pilot, anyway), and now it's
falling apart around him, as pilots continue dying and it becomes more
apparent that the plug could end up getting pulled, perhaps by Koenig.
>I thought that an apologetic explanation of Helena's stoicism was the fact
>that she had been pulling the plug on a number of men of late. This,
>coupled with the loss of her husband, could have turned her into an ice
>woman.
True, and such explanations do provide some basis for her behavior, yet I
still feel it wasn't played right. Oh well.
>I thought the first Eagle splashdown was great! Nothing to complain about,
>there!
Even now, with 1999 (A.D.) effects, much of Space: 1999's SFX, particularly
involving spaceships, still looks very "realistic."
>And watching the close shots of the 2nd (remote) Eagle laboring was cool.
They hit the ground running, excuse the pun, with the Eagle FX, that's for
sure!
>The Eagle mid-air explosion was violent when I considered how the command
>module, alone, seemed to be falling intact.
That was actually a chilling effect, to think that the pilots may have
survived the initial blast, only to watch the ground rush up? The effects
people may not have intended that look, but if not programmed that way, it
was evidently considered good enough (or even better) to keep in.
>I had to agree with Helena. What the hell was Koenig doing out there,
>flying over danger? Does he have a deathwish or is he just stupid?
Somewhat foolish, yet not wanting send someone else into danger in this
case? Maybe he was goaded by Simmonds' refusal to believe Koenig regarding
the severity, or am I mixed up on the timing?
>When the moon left orbit, I wondered why the space dock exploded. Did the
>sudden change in gravity rip it apart?
Anyone good with physics? Would would be the delta-G on a station on (say)
a two hundred kilometer orbit of the Moon, if the Moon itself started
moving under a... was it 3-G? acceleration, and at some angle relative to
the station? (Sorry, don't remember if the moving Moon was shown as a
backdrop.)
>I noticed the use of the description "dark side of the moon". My dad had a
>big gripe about it and also wondered why the moon wasn't blown INTO the
>earth if the waste dump was on the far side of the moon.
"Dark side," taken literally, *is* a misnomer for what would be better
termed the far side, but could "dark side" be refering to *radio* darkness,
in terms of being cut off from direct contact with Earth?
About being blown into Earth, a reviewer for TV Guide, I think, back in
1975, made the same accusation (something about "why didn't it hit
Cleveland?" IIRC). The problem with the Cleveland Catastrophe (i.e.
hitting Earth in any way) is that the blast would have to be more or less
on the precise farthest point on the Moon from Earth, otherwise it would be
a miss -- near or far.
After all, the Earth, from the Moon, is only about a 2-degree target, with
a 180 degree range of possible post-blast trajectory, assuming a blast on
the far/"dark" side (which makes the odds of hitting Earth only 1 in 8100).
The case about the blast itself, its effects, and the Moon surviving are,
then, on shakier ground than the likelihood of the Moon missing Earth (no
offense to your father :-). I prefer to think the blast was only 20 or so
degrees into the "far side" of the Moon (rather than a full 90, which would
be the farthest point), which would mean about the Moon passed a full 70
degrees away from the Earth (still enough to make the Moon come somewhat
closer to the Earth for a short period and wreak some increased tidal
damage, etc.
>I thought Barry Morse and Nick Tate did a fine job... They were both quite
>natural in their respective roles, maybe Morse more than Tate.
>
>My dad, commenting on "Mission: Impossible", called Landau and Bain,
>"Plastic Bookends". I personally thought that Landau was better than Bain,
>but Barry Morse was the clear out-and-out best actor of "Breakaway".
I agree with both paragraphs. Interesting metaphor for Landau and Bain.
I've heard from others, though, that Bain shows a lot more subtle emotional
range in M:I than in S19's Y1. I can't argue one way or the other, because
I've still seen only one episode of the former.
>____________________
>
>The Metamorph
>
>Maya and Mentor were IMMEDIATELY powerful, charismatic and welcome
>characters with a strong presence. I liked Mentor, even though he was
>putting the screws to my Alphans. : ) And who could resist naive Maya,
>unquestioningly loyal to her daddy, just like Miss Parker on the Pretender,
>though Maya doesn't have Parker's icy demeanor. And how about that dress?
>Get her in front of a light and you get to see her legs. : )
Yes, both certainly had powerful presence on screen, and more than
appealing in the case of Maya. I never thought on comparing Maya and
Parker. Hmm.
>Koenig running into the various force fields (first the Alphan, then the
>cell) was, to me, comical. After 20 episodes of that I'd be yelling "DAMN
>FORCE FIELDS!"
Were there really that many force fields in Y1? I remember people being
kept separate more by locked doors, transparent boxes, electrical charges,
and threats, rather than by force fields.
>However, I wonder if there wasn't some symbolism, there,
>like "running into a brick wall"... Alan also runs into it, though Maya
>said to Koenig, "I should have warned you", no one warned Alan! You'll
>notice that when Koenig makes a breakthrough with Maya and some resultant
>headway in getting out of there, he looks at where the force field would be,
>preventing himself from slamming into it.
Speaking of breaking through to Maya, I liked how they also showed glimpses
of Helena, Alan, and Bill, each having these expressions of desperate hope
mixed with pleading mixed with little nods or expressions of confirmation
of Koenig's accusations against Mentor. It's like they're saying "we're
not putting on some show of lies, this is how we really feel."
Going back in the episode a bit, I also like the instantly bad first
impression Koenig has of Maya. ("You Psychons are full of fun and games.")
He doesn't assume Maya is some innocent, and in fact it seems she is the
opposite. It is his recognition of the way she acts and responds to his
words, over the course of the episode, that later makes her appear to
innocent, and thus a possible wedge in escaping.
>Just now, thinking about Psychon, Maya seems like an unexcavated diamond.
>This warm, caring thing of beauty (I say thing, because of her abilites) in
>this ugly, inhospitable world.
Like a flower blooming in hell?
Indeed, an incredible contrast.
>I wonder if Helena, Alan, and Bill weren't under those brain suckers long
>enough to suffer just a little brain damage. : )
Hmmm, interesting....
>When Maya turned into a dove, it seemed a really nice touch, as the Dove's
>darting glances seemed to mimic a person's reaction of surprised horror.
And the bird itself was such a huge contrast to everything around her....
>Was that just about the stupidest-looking Gorilla suit I'd ever seen, or was
>it some kind of other creature?
An "alien" sort of gorilla? Different humanoid strains, different primates
too?
>It was great to see Annie happy that her man was coming back. You'd be
>hard-pressed to convince me that Alphans weren't getting intimate before
>Breakaway, or maybe that would explain Annie's terminal case of adolescent
>puppy love.
It could, in part, be their (and other's) response to a sterile moonbase in
a cold, often hostile universe. A reason to live, and all that.
They could have just gotten married just before "The Metamorph," too.
Would have been nice to hear this backstory, even if in momentary passing.
I may sound blind, but it was years before I was certain their characters
*were* married! Her (current) last name wasn't mentioned in the episode.
>______________
>
>"The Metamorph" belts "Breakaway" hard in the jaw. T.K.O.! "The Metamorph"
>is this tape's clear winner.
>______________
Both are strong, in my opinion, but "The Metamorph" still wins by many
points in my ring too -- and in fact, it *is* my favorite episode of S19.
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:13:02
From: Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Space1999: Classical MIDI Archives: A-E
Moon Bubba:
>Adagio in G by Albinoni really is a great song. Maybe I'll have it
>played at my funeral. Thanks to everyone that helped me find these great
>songs.
I agree...classic bit of music. For those who like their classical a bit
uptempo, the Doors did a fairly awesome version of it for Jim Morrison's
posthumous poetry album 'An American Prayer'(1978). It plays over the poem
entitled 'The Severed Garden', I believe. It can also be heard on the
soundtrack CD of the Oliver stione Doors movie. 'Prayer' has recently been
rereleased in digitally remastered format, with bonus tracks.
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:30:06
From: Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
Clif wrote:
>> This month's Playboy robs our show...
Getting snubbed by a misogynist relic isn't that heart-breaking for me, to
be honest.
>> SUPERNOVA (Ten Best Shows)
>> 1) The Twilight Zone (Sci-Fi? Gimme a break!)
Ekmar:
>Some episodes are sci-fi, other episodes are horror and fantasy.
Yes, it's more or less SF. The original Outer Limits seres is better,
IMO...one of the first eps stars Martin Landau as a disfigured time
traveller. Grrrrroooovy.
>> 2) Star Trek: The Next Generation
Clearly he hasn't seen Season One :)
>> 3) The Prisoner
>Sci-Fi?
Oh yes...the Rovers, mind swapping, hallucinogenic drug experiments etc.
>> 4) Star Trek
>
>> 5) Dr. Who
>
>> 6) Cold Lazarus
>I never heard about this series.
It's famous British playwright and TV scripwriter Dennis Potter's last
play. A VERY odd SF mini-series. Potter also wrote The Singing Detective,
Black Eyes, Lipstick On Your Collar and the script of Gorky Park, as well
as MANY other plays and TV shows.
>> 7) The X-Files
>
>> 8) Max Headroom (Sci-Fi?)
BAD sci fi, but yes. :)
>> 9) V: The Miniseries
Ditto. :)
>> 10) Quark
>In Germany unknown, too.
Utterly terrible semi-spoof SF show, made shortly after Star Wars and
borrowing heavily from it. It starred Richard Benjamin from Westworld, and
lasted for about 7 episodes.
>> BLACK HOLES (Ten Worst Shows)
>
>> 1) Lost in Space
>Is it really so worse?
Only if you try and take it seriously. I love it for just being campy fun.
>> 2) It's About Time
>
>> 3) Wild Palms
This I disagree with. Sure, it made no sense whatsoever, but it wasn't
actually BAD!
>> 4) Galactica 1980 (I'd Have to Agree...)
Me too. This should be at No.1...THE worst SF show ever made bar none.
>> 5) Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (Playboy says, "Beedeebeedeebeedee,
>> show sucks, Buck!"--I'd have to disagree...)
>I like BUCK ROGERS very much.
I thought BR was fairly cool when I saw it as a kid...the second season was
pretty Star Trekky, but Hawkman was cool! :) As for Wilma Deering in those
TERRIBLY tight jumpsuits.... :)
>> 6) Small Wonder
Ugh! AWFUL!
>> 7) The Starlost
Terrible Canadian series atsrring Keir Dullea from 2001/2010.
>> 8) Mercy Point
>
>> 9) Woops!
>
>> 10) Baywatch Nights
>This is not a sci-fi series!
Hmmmm, no. I think that one's a pisstake. :)
>Really awful is "The Fantastic Journey" which is not in the list.
That's the one with pyramid teleporters, crap aliens and Jared Martin from
War Of The Worlds in it, huh?
>And I miss "SPACE:1999" in the top ten list with the best series!
>
>> ESSENTIAL SCI-FI TV GIZMOS
>> Transporter (Star Trek)
>> K-9
K-9 is a snooty metal git. Most Dr Who fans worth their TARDIS hate him. :)
>> Omni (Voyager)
The what? I love Voyager, but me never hear of dis.
>> Stun Gun (Space: 1999 Playboy says: "No mess; no permanent damage and you
>> can ask questions later.")
>> Tom Servo and Crow T. Robot
Oh, Crow and Servo are a MUST!!!!
>I think, the writer of this list don't know much about science fiction
series.
Or about how to treat women like human beings. :) Sorry, I'll go now :)
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:44:26 -0500
From: David Welle <dwelle@itol.com>
Subject: Space1999: Brian Blessed [OT]
Speaking of Brian Blessed, he has a credit in The Phantom Menace. I can't
say I noticed who it was on screen, and didn't catch the character name in
the credits, but IMDb lists him as playing King Boss Nass.
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:17:06 -0400
From: Phil Merkel <captphil@unix.asb.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Classical MIDI Archives: Adagio in G by Albinoni
>Moon Bubba:
>>Adagio in G by Albinoni really is a great song. Maybe I'll have it
>>played at my funeral. Thanks to everyone that helped me find these great
>>songs.
Great Midi site! I went on soon after the first post and played the random
song of the day as dinner music for my family!
Another version of our classic Adagio in G was done by the Progressive Rock
group Reniassance. They set the melody to words (Very depressing words) and
I believe the title or at least first line of the song was, " So cold is
being lonely"
Reniassance has been a favorite of mine for years and almost everything is
available on CD. I think the Adagio in G song is on the Album Turn of the
Cards OR Novella. I can't remember which one.
Worth seeking out if you love the melody. Annie Haslam (The lead singer)
has or had a wonderful voice. Her later singing doesn't match the work they
did in the 70's and early 80's. Definitly a band that was active and had
some airplay when SPace 1999 wass on the air!
>I agree...classic bit of music. For those who like their classical a bit
>uptempo, the Doors did a fairly awesome version of it for Jim Morrison's
>posthumous poetry album 'An American Prayer'(1978). It plays over the poem
>entitled 'The Severed Garden', I believe. It can also be heard on the
>soundtrack CD of the Oliver stione Doors movie. 'Prayer' has recently been
>rereleased in digitally remastered format, with bonus tracks.
>JeffStoat
>
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:55:50
From: Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
Clif:
>In the first corner we have "Breakaway" and in the other corner we have "the
>Metamorph". Who will be the victor in this match?
>
>Breakaway:
By a long way! IMO :)
>Watching this first CH tape... I was disappointed to see the newer ITC logo
>used... Oh well...
Ah yes, the lovely spinning ITC diamond. That fanfare is cool. :)
>In one of the first scenes of the nuclear waste dump, I noticed a moon buggy
>in the background zipping along as if it was on the autobahn. : )
Fahn, fahn, fahn, auf die autobahn! :)
Wtach closely when Steiner(?) throws Nordstrum(?) at the moon Buggy in the
pre-cred seq...his visor flips open!
>Yes, Barbara Bain was pretty stiff and the transitions between scenes for
>Landau were awkward. I didn't quite understand Koenig's comment to Russell,
>"I didn't know you cared." It seemed cold, unwarranted, and unexplained.
>Hadn't Helena been doing everything to help Koenig solve the mystery that
>was killing these men?
Koenig was referring to the way that Russell seemed not to be too
interested in his welfare at that point...I dunno, really. As someone else
said, I guess it was a fairly clumsy foreshadowing of their later close
relationship.
>There seemed to be some sort of chip on Alan Carter's shoulder. Why did he
>get so uppity with Koenig so soon?
He was committed to the Meta Probe launch, and when Koenig pulled the plug
on it to concentrate on the waste dump trouble, Carter felt he had to stick
up for the mission.
>I liked the camera angle showing the pilot's hand tensing up into a claw. I
>laughed. It was a definite "ruh-roh!" scene. "Something is amiss!" I
>thought the guy stunned pretty well... Not your mama's "I've been stunned
>with a Space:1999 pistol!" pose...
The sudden appearance of Collin's fogged eye was a great moment. Having
had a fogged cornea myself, I can empathise with that scene. They DO itch
terribly!
>I thought that an apologetic explanation of Helena's stoicism was the fact
>that she had been pulling the plug on a number of men of late. This,
>coupled with the loss of her husband, could have turned her into an ice
>woman.
The scene where Russell turns off that guy's life support was very well
done...Bain is a bit wooden in that ep, but she has her moments.
>I thought the first Eagle splashdown was great! Nothing to complain about,
>there!
That's not the last time we see THAT footage :)
>And watching the close shots of the 2nd (remote) Eagle laboring was cool.
Very well done, yes.
>The Eagle mid-air explosion was violent when I considered how the command
>module, alone, seemed to be falling intact.
Cool happy accident, that bit...looked very impressive.
>(We're really going through the Eagles, aren't we?)
That's something that Freiberger toned down in Year 2...the huge Eagle
'body count'. Looking at the Eagle hangar scenes we see in Breakaway, they
have a fair few of them, but even so...:)
>I had to agree with Helena. What the hell was Koenig doing out there,
>flying over danger? Does he have a deathwish or is he just stupid?
No, he was just playing the brave astronaut.
>When the moon left orbit, I wondered why the space dock exploded. Did the
>sudden change in gravity rip it apart?
Yes.
>I noticed the use of the description "dark side of the moon". My dad had a
>big gripe about it and also wondered why the moon wasn't blown INTO the
>earth if the waste dump was on the far side of the moon.
Maybe because the Earth wasn't in a direct line with the Moon's trajectory?
>I thought Barry Morse and Nick Tate did a fine job... They were both quite
>natural in their respective roles, maybe Morse more than Tate.
Morse is brilliant, as he is in every Year 1 ep.
>My dad, commenting on "Mission: Impossible", called Landau and Bain,
>"Plastic Bookends". I personally thought that Landau was better than Bain,
>but Barry Morse was the clear out-and-out best actor of "Breakaway".
>
>I kinda hope for better from Year 1.
Geez, you're hard to please! :) Breakaway is SUPERB...one of the best eps
of the whole show. It's jyst a pity that it wasn;'t 90 minutes, then we
might have got a look at Meta. Oh well. The FX in Breakaway are quite
stunning...movie-quality stuff.
>____________________
>
>The Metamorph
>
>I noticed that Helena said that they had just gone through their second
>"space warp", which hurtled them 6 light years away from their previous
>location. She seemed more light-hearted, now that Koenig had been around to
>warm her heart.
Nahh...she's more warm-hearted because Freiberger told them to lighten the
scripts up!
>I thought the girl who played "Annie" did a good job. She seemed quite
>smitten by Bill Frasier.
Ah, Anouska Hempel...being Fraser's wife, no doubt she WAS smitten. :)
>What the heck was the deal with that coat that Koenig is wearing? It looks
>like some kind of parka. Frankly, it looks "gay", not so much in the sense
>of "homosexual" as in the sense of "guy in girl's clothing".
Hmmmm...who cares, really?
>Did Eagle pilots do away with wearing space suits because they had grown
>accustomed to exposure to the vacuum? ; )
Nahhh, they needed to get their money's worth outta the new costumes :)
>Koenig running into the various force fields (first the Alphan, then the
>cell) was, to me, comical. After 20 episodes of that I'd be yelling "DAMN
>FORCE FIELDS!" However, I wonder if there wasn't some symbolism, there,
>like "running into a brick wall"... Alan also runs into it, though Maya
>said to Koenig, "I should have warned you", no one warned Alan! You'll
>notice that when Koenig makes a breakthrough with Maya and some resultant
>headway in getting out of there, he looks at where the force field would be,
>preventing himself from slamming into it.
I got a bit tired of Koenig screaming 'GO AND LOOK!!!' at Maya...Koenig can
really lose it when he has to, can't he? :)
>Just now, thinking about Psychon, Maya seems like an unexcavated diamond.
>This warm, caring thing of beauty (I say thing, because of her abilites) in
>this ugly, inhospitable world.
Why only she and Mentor stayed baffles me...that speaks volumes for Maya's
devotion to her father.
>I thought that German shepherd was gonna tear Martin Landau a new one.
The scene where Koenig wrestles with the dog and yells at it is pretty
silly. :)
>When Maya turned into a dove, it seemed a really nice touch, as the Dove's
>darting glances seemed to mimic a person's reaction of surprised horror.
Yeah, I noticed that too...another nice happy accident.
>Was that just about the stupidest-looking Gorilla suit I'd ever seen, or was
>it some kind of other creature?
Both :)
>It was great to see Annie happy that her man was coming back. You'd be
>hard-pressed to convince me that Alphans weren't getting intimate before
>Breakaway, or maybe that would explain Annie's terminal case of adolescent
>puppy love. Whatever the case, I thought her emotional investment in her
>man was admirable. Of course, that was back in the day when it was still
>"trendy" to be a heterosexual female.
When has it NOT been trendy to be straight? :)
>I thought it was ironic that Tony executed a Directive 4 on the very woman
>who would eventually fall in love with him.
Yeah well, hinsight is always 20/20 :)
>I see why Russell and Koenig become parent-figures to Maya, but I hope to
>see her grieve more in later episodes.
I don't...I like happiness more than grief :)
______________
>
>"The Metamorph" belts "Breakaway" hard in the jaw. T.K.O.! "The Metamorph"
>is this tape's clear winner.
I heartily disagree...Breakaway is a modern classic of TV SF, whereas The
Metamorph is just a standard actioner.
JeffStoat
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:07:18
From: Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
Clif wrote:
>> >> This month's Playboy robs our show...
StoatL
>> Getting snubbed by a misogynist relic isn't that heart-breaking for me, to
>> be honest.
>>
>The women get paid to voluntarily do they-know-what, so where are the gyns
>being miso'd?
I'm no about to get into a debate about this topic...I like naked women as
much as the next straight guy, but mags like that continue to portray women
as disposable objects. Pardon me, but I find that mildly offensive. On
the other hand, your body is your body and if you want to show it off for
cash...go ahead. I'm no lover of censorship, believe me. For one thing, I
cannot understand why a movie can't have hardcore sex in it AND have a plot
too. Why has no-one tried? Unless you count Caligula :)
>> Ditto. :)
>>
>> >> 10) Quark
>> >In Germany unknown, too.
>>
>> Utterly terrible semi-spoof SF show, made shortly after Star Wars and
>> borrowing heavily from it. It starred Richard Benjamin from Westworld,
>and
>> lasted for about 7 episodes.
>
>And I tuned into every one. I loved it, as a kid. I even made the ship out
>of a single pop-sicle stick. : )
Again, s ahow not to be taken seriously, and enoyed for just being fun.
>> I thought BR was fairly cool when I saw it as a kid...the second season
>was pretty Star Trekky, but Hawkman was cool! :) As for Wilma Deering in
>those TERRIBLY tight jumpsuits.... :)
>
>Yup, she was one incredibly beautiful woman, whether in a jumpsuit or a
>dress or just looking at her face... damn...
The latest thing i saw her in was Friday The 13th Part IX. Oh how the
mnighty have fallen :) But then again, Mr X from The X Files was in it
too, and to be honest it was one of the better entries in that series...:)
>So are you writing those MST3K things, yourself?
Er, no...Robert G is my partner in crime there. Pardon me for asking, but
what does that have to do with anything? :)
JeffStoat
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:36:23 -0400
From: Neil Strawbridge <strawbridge@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
> Yes, Barbara Bain was pretty stiff and the transitions between scenes for
> Landau were awkward. I didn't quite understand Koenig's comment to
Russell,
> "I didn't know you cared." It seemed cold, unwarranted, and unexplained.
> Hadn't Helena been doing everything to help Koenig solve the mystery that
> was killing these men?
Cliff:
Koenig has a very DRY sense of humor. Let me translate the scene for you...
HELENA (to Koenig): "You *knew* that area was suspect... and yet you went
right out there yourself. (pause) We're looking for answers, Commander...
not heroes."
KOENIG: "So does this mean you want to go out with me?"
- -Neil
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:35:12 EDT
From: TERALISHA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
I like this summarizing you guys are doing.
Annie, Annette, I've heard, seen her referred to both ways. In one copy of
the Metamorph, both sci-fi and my really old audio tape, scene in Medical
Center when Koenig is talking to Mentor and they are listening to
conversation, it sounds like Helena says, "Annie they're alive, Bill's
alive." or something to that effect. How about just Mrs. Fraser? Anyhow,
they were married just two months before this episode, but let's not try to
determine how many days out of Earth orbit that "really" was.
Indeed it wasn't until late 1978 after seeing many episodes that I realized
Fraser was married. Old audio tape reminds me of that fact too.
I too always thought the "I didn't know you that you cared." line from BAWY
was the show's first glimpse that - Hey audience! We're going to pair these
2 up now!
Well enough for now, still lot's of mail to read, and possible more responses.
By the way - hope everyone had a GREAT weekend!
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:46:04 -0400
From: "Neil Strawbridge" <strawbridge@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
- ----- Original Message -----
> >The Eagle mid-air explosion was violent when I considered how the command
> >module, alone, seemed to be falling intact.
>
> That was actually a chilling effect, to think that the pilots may have
> survived the initial blast, only to watch the ground rush up? The effects
> people may not have intended that look, but if not programmed that way, it
> was evidently considered good enough (or even better) to keep in.
Life imitates art: When the space shuttle Challenger exploded in 1986, the
crew module was proven to have been intact after the explosion.
Particularly chilling is the fact that some or all of the crew may have
survived the initial explosion, but were killed when the module impacted on
the Atlantic Ocean.
- -Neil
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:51:41 -0600 (CST)
From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, David Welle wrote:
> >When the moon left orbit, I wondered why the space dock exploded. Did the
> >sudden change in gravity rip it apart?
>
> Anyone good with physics? Would would be the delta-G on a station on (say)
> a two hundred kilometer orbit of the Moon, if the Moon itself started
> moving under a... was it 3-G? acceleration, and at some angle relative to
> the station? (Sorry, don't remember if the moving Moon was shown as a
> backdrop.)
Perhaps the station was supposed to be at one of the Lagrange points where
the gravity between the Earth and Moon are equal. Disrupt that
relationship and the space dock would leave its "moorings."
tim gueguen 101867
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 20:53:09 -0600
From: "Robert C. Gilbert" <bcpgd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz wrote:
>
> Clif wrote:
> >> >> This month's Playboy robs our show...
>
> StoatL
> >> Getting snubbed by a misogynist relic isn't that heart-breaking for me, to
> >> be honest.
> >>
> >The women get paid to voluntarily do they-know-what, so where are the gyns
> >being miso'd?
>
> I'm no about to get into a debate about this topic...I like naked women as
> much as the next straight guy, but mags like that continue to portray women
> as disposable objects. Pardon me, but I find that mildly offensive. On
> the other hand, your body is your body and if you want to show it off for
> cash...go ahead. I'm no lover of censorship, believe me. For one thing, I
> cannot understand why a movie can't have hardcore sex in it AND have a plot
> too. Why has no-one tried? Unless you count Caligula :)
Hear hear!
> >So are you writing those MST3K things, yourself?
> Er, no...Robert G is my partner in crime there. Pardon me for asking, but
> what does that have to do with anything? :)
Thanx Jeff S!
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:48:38 -0400
From: Clif <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Space1999: Koenig's Mating Dance
>
> Cliff:
>
> Koenig has a very DRY sense of humor. Let me translate the scene for
you...
>
> HELENA (to Koenig): "You *knew* that area was suspect... and yet you went
> right out there yourself. (pause) We're looking for answers,
Commander...
> not heroes."
>
> KOENIG: "So does this mean you want to go out with me?"
Hmmm, he looked pissed off, to me. Maybe he figured that she was already
turned on by the little barking he had done, so he concluded barking at HER
would REALLY get her motor humming? : )
- --Clif
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:55:33 -0400
From: "Clif" <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Brian Blessed [OT]
Is that the slobbering Gunnigan leader whose girth rivals Jabba's?
- --Clif
"Greater justice you shall pursue."
- ----- Original Message -----
From: David Welle <dwelle@itol.com>
To: <space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 8:44 PM
Subject: Space1999: Brian Blessed [OT]
> Speaking of Brian Blessed, he has a credit in The Phantom Menace. I can't
> say I noticed who it was on screen, and didn't catch the character name in
> the credits, but IMDb lists him as playing King Boss Nass.
>
> ----
> David Welle
> dwelle@itol.com
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:57:36 -0400
From: "Clif" <brclif@digital.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
Yeah, here in Cape Canaveral, we were able to tell that they all had
dandruff when we found their Head and Shoulders washed up on the beach.
- --Clif
SORRY!
> Life imitates art: When the space shuttle Challenger exploded in 1986,
the
> crew module was proven to have been intact after the explosion.
> Particularly chilling is the fact that some or all of the crew may have
> survived the initial explosion, but were killed when the module impacted
on
> the Atlantic Ocean.
>
>
> -Neil
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:01:39 -0400
From: Sci Fi High <evans@tdi.net>
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space: 1999 Gets Robbed, Again!
>BLACK HOLES (Ten Worst Shows)
>7) The Starlost
I'll disagree on this one. Although it came in the heyday of video
chroma key special effects, it was fresh, original and entertaining.
Russell
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:06:34 EDT
From: TERALISHA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch
Clif and various others wrote:
Fun, fun more stuff to comment on.
In the first corner we have "Breakaway" and in the other corner we have "the
Metamorph". Who will be the victor in this match?
I think perhaps there is no clear winner, Met. ranks a little higher to me
but both are superb!
- - The sudden appearance of Collin's fogged eye was a great moment. Indeed a
good scene.
>(We're really going through the Eagles, aren't we?)
And another one bites the dust, and another's gone....
>I had to agree with Helena. What the hell was Koenig doing out there,
>flying over danger? Does he have a deathwish or is he just stupid?
No, he was just playing the brave astronaut.
Methinks this is the type of character Koenig was before pre-ranting hysteria
came upon him. As a younger astronaut he probably was a lot like Carter and
the younger pilots that we see on various sci-fi.
Morse is always good!
>____________________
>
>The Metamorph
>
>I noticed that Helena ion. She seemed more light-hearted, now that
Koenig had been around to >warm her heart.
Nahh...she's more warm-hearted because Freiberger told them to lighten the
scripts up!
Perhaps she liked the new costumes better :)
>I thought the girl who played "Annie" did a good job. She seemed quite
>smitten by Bill Frasier.
Ah, Anouska Hempel...being Fraser's wife, no doubt she WAS smitten. :)
Fraser isn't a bad character to be smitten with.
>Did Eagle pilots do away with wearing space suits because they had grown
>accustomed to exposure to the vacuum? ; )
Nahhh, they needed to get their money's worth outta the new costumes :)
This is something I oftern wondered about, but then they always seemed to be
wearing them at the appropriate times, like when Maya and Koenig crashed on
Tora in the red dust.
I got a bit tired of Koenig screaming 'GO AND LOOK!!!' at Maya...Koenig can
really lose it when he has to, can't he? :)
No, it's GO AND SEE! SEE WHAT WE'VE SEEN! MINDLESS HULKS, DESTROYED BY YOUR
FATHER!
:)
Yep he does, but in this ep it is effective and probably very realistic
behavior by someone who is desperate, I think.
Why only she and Mentor stayed baffles me...that speaks volumes for Maya's
devotion to her father.
I always figured that there was some sort of breakdown of calmness at some
point and most Psychons, on the verge of panic fled in a mass exodus, Perhaps
refusing to believe any scientist who would have tried to argue that the
planet was salvagable. Seriously, if you think about it, would you have
stayed when your world looked like that?
As for Maya staying, another assumption, I figured she was the youngest child
and that her brother came to odds with Daddy at some point over Mentor's
ideas. So she ended up feeling like she "had" to stay because everyone else
in the family abandoned him. Just my "overactive fictional imagination
version."
>I thought that German shepherd was gonna tear Martin Landau a new one.
The scene where Koenig wrestles with the dog and yells at it is pretty
silly. :)
the final scenes where Maya turns back and forth into things while Mentor
dies always struck me as being cool, visually. Not to mention the fact that
her morping seems erratic under stress, the way she wavers between the
gorilly and herself for a few moments. I actually like this plot point,
morphing isn't always reliable and guaranteed. Makes her a little more,
pardon the expression, "human."
Dove scenes - yep,yep - good.
gorilla - well they spent too much on the buget blowing up volvanoes so they
had to compromise:)
> You'd be hard-pressed to convince me that Alphans weren't getting intimate
before >Breakaway
Even lost in space - humanity and all of its emotions still come along for
the journey.
>I thought it was ironic that Tony executed a Directive 4 on the very woman
>who would eventually fall in love with him.
Still think this is one of Verdeschi's strongest moments as a character!
>I see why Russell and Koenig become parent-figures to Maya, but I hope to
>see her grieve more in later episodes.
Shit - we don't see more grief in this girl, one of the things that does irk
me about yr2! Excuse my french.
Perhaps we need to stay tuned for more fan-fiction to see those missing
episodes.
Have a good night all!
T.
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