From: owner-space1999 To: space1999-digest@buffnet4.buffnet.net Subject: space1999-digest V1 #12 Reply-To: space1999 Precedence: bulk space1999-digest Friday, 28 February 1997 Volume 01 : Number 012 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eacott@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:17:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Space1999: fundraising drives Regarding the $1-$2 donations for maintaining the list, I suggest that this fundraising to maintain the site be coordinated. Perhaps a reminder could be sent out every month or two with an address, the way the fundraising drives on American public television are done. I dunno, just thinking as I type... *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: David Welle <dwelle@online.dct.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:54:09 Subject: Re: Space1999: trivia (S19 bands?) At 04:23 PM 02/27/97 -0800, Candace Cardinal (candy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU) wrote: >If anyone is a fan of the band Spot 1019, you might be interested to know >that their name was a corruption of Space 1999 (=their original name). Wonder if they ever worked any references of S19 into their songs or album covers or something.... That reminds me of a song called "Space 1999." It was put out by a band called The Draghounds, which was some sort of grunge/garage/?? group local to the Minneapolis-St. Paul area (Minnesota, U.S.A.). The song is all but unintelligible in many stretches, but I remember the name Martin Landau being spoken within, and it was *so* strange to hear "Space... Nineteen Ninety Nine" being shouted at every refrain. It was actually supposed to be one of their most popular songs. Ah heck, let me see if I can dig up the copy and sample it. Let you know when I do! - ---- David Welle dwelle@online.dct.com http://www.dct.com/~dwelle/s19.html *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:05:33 -0700 Subject: Space1999: Shermeen Jon Stadter writes: > When they come back from the teaser, Helena says that it is > 1702 days since leaving Earth orbit (over 4.5 years). She then says > that Shermeen is going through a 'teenage infatuation," as had Maya > in the teaser. So, if Shermeen is still a teenager four-and-a-half > years later, how dang young can you be to get posted to Alpha????? She could have been a beige sleeved civillian like Victor, accompanying a parent even. Then as she grew up she was assigned duties. The clock can also be an estimation of Earth time rather than actual lunar time. This never bothers me. I just ignore this and it doesn't even sink in. (Of course, they should have been more careful, but then they also should have [you fill in the blank].) Robert Robert Ruiz (espresso@dnai.com) San Francisco, California USA Cybrarian of the Space: 1999 Cybrary at: http://204.188.13.27/welcome.htm *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:17:17 -0700 Subject: Space1999: RE: fundraising drives Eacott@aol.com writes: > Regarding the $1-$2 donations for maintaining the list, I suggest > that this fundraising to maintain the site be coordinated. Perhaps a > reminder could be sent out every month or two with an address, the > way the fundraising drives on American public television are done. I > dunno, just thinking as I type... As of yesterday we have already received more than enough pledges for a full year, and though I said I didn't want to collect a surplus, some people still want to contribute so, that said, send money if you want at this point, but it's really not necessary. It's covered (as long as everyone who pledged follows through and sends funds). Anything beyond one year's coverage will go toward next year, and we'll let you know who the contributors/benefactors are and how much we actually received after the checks come in. Got the first one today from Bill Greer (thanks Bill!) so I'll be forwarding it to Marcy tomorrow. Robert Robert Ruiz (espresso@dnai.com) San Francisco, California USA Cybrarian of the Space: 1999 Cybrary at: http://204.188.13.27/welcome.htm *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: David Welle <dwelle@online.dct.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:41:27 Subject: Re: Space1999: Year 2 -Reply At 08:41 PM 02/27/97 EST, Jonathon P Stadter wrote: > When they come back from the teaser, Helena says that it is 1702 days >since leaving Earth orbit (over 4.5 years). She then says that Shermeen >is going through a 'teenage infatuation," as had Maya in the teaser. So, >if Shermeen is still a teenager four-and-a-half years later, how dang >young can you be to get posted to Alpha????? This also bothered me a little when I first saw it, but I think "teenage infatuation" was being used as a common expression, something like when one adult might comment about another adult's feelings being "like teenage infatuation," or "like a schoolgirl's crush" (or "schoolboy's" if referring to a male). Shermeen looked to be in her mid-twenties, which would still put her posting to Alpha in her early 20s--still rather early.... Otherwise, if she were really a teenager, and an even younger teenager at Breakaway, I suppose she could have come with a parent who was posted to Alpha, or was perhaps visiting. But lacking any backstory to that character, it's little more than unconvincing speculation. Oh well; "Matter of Balance" was never one of my favorites anyway. - ---- David Welle dwelle@online.dct.com http://www.dct.com/~dwelle/s19.html *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: NicStepro@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:23:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Space1999: Victor Doll- worth? I have an opportunity to get a Victor doll. How much is he worth? Supposedly in excellent condition, but he previously stated it wasn't in the original package etc. Ideas? Nicolette *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Mark Meskin" <plastic.gravity@newrock.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:33:35 -0600 Subject: Space1999: the top five Hi all, The Schlock Fi channel cheated me out of my chance to see all the second season episodes again, but I've got a Top Five anyway. Dorzak The Immunity Syndrome Journey to Where Sceance Spector Bringers of Wonder I can't say the S2 favorites have an henpicking order, none are that superior to its peers. But of the S2 eps Ive seen in modern times I like them better than the rest. Dorzak I like because it puts someone else other than Koenig in the spotlight, in fact he's not even the Episode. Carter gets a little romance and some real lines. Even Tony seems less cardboard. His little ruse at the end added a little depth to his character. He didn't show up with a security squad and a "new big laser" from the prop department. The special effects are a low spot in this episode, and the alien spaceship looks like its a single peice plastic cast kids toy, complete with stickers. I think I read that this ship was made from part of a lamp, and well, it shows. The Immunity Syndrome is a guess, but I remember I liked it a lot. The plastic glider was innovative and reasonably well used. Although why such a device would be on the Moon is beyond me, unless it was developed there. Journey to Where- great story- nice comment on Earth;s ecological problems, bad humor. The scenes between Maya and Tony where Maya is unsure about going to Earth, are just pure gems. It shows for the first time how odd she feels being the lone Alien among humans. Sceance Spector- Good story, cool FX(especially the Eagle on the Pad at the remote Security Station, it is the only time we ever see it.)the best lines for a single ep character(Sanderson) this side of Duke Nukem. Good tension, campy Doctor Russell. I'd have cast a different Actor for Sanderson. This guys just hams it up on screen, I think it would have been better if Sanderson was presented as a serious alternative to Koenig. Sanderson was just tooooo wacked for ANYONE to trust him. Had he been more even keeled it would have brought out more of the flaws in Koenigs leadership, and turned the episode into a tension filled character study. Bringers of Wonder- Well the ALiens were gross, but they looked like silly walking garbage heaps. Fortunately this episode had a S1 story concept and of the all the S2 eps this one came the closest to hard scifi. It also has a that grand scale feeling, contrasting the canned feeling of the Second Season. I think this is due to the broad range of scenery we see: Command Center, the Mediacal Section, the Nuclear Monitoring Station(massive set), The film lab, action on the lunar surface, etc. I could have done with out the campy "diana and her big boobs" parts, and wish they had made the audience decide who was seeing the truth, instead of showing us right of the Bat that Koenig was Right. Nice line by Koenig at the End "Its better to be your own Man than a fool in some else's dream" > The easier question would be to answer which five from Series 2 we hate: > > Very Easy- Rules of Luton THe Dorcons Brian the Brain The Metamorph Rules of Luton-yes its that dumb. I'm very tired now, I'll stop here. - -Its late Crater, Mark Creator of "EAGLE ONE" Look for the 'beta' release soon! I'm almost there... plastic.gravity@newrock.com *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Ina Litera <ilitera@idt.net> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:26:03 +0000 Subject: Space1999: old thread Hi I know I'm many weeks behind, but a while ago there was talk of Sandra's undying loyalty to Paul. If memory serves correctly wasn't Sandra engaged to someone else (I think this came up in BOW, but I'm not sure) Anyway if she was such a loyal personality, one would think her devotion would be to her almost spouse. Just a thought. Also add my thanks to all the new list runners for taking yp the job. Later Ina *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Eacott@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:30:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Space1999: fundraising Geez, I guess I can't go a day without checking in with you guys! I propose fundraising, take a few days off, come back, and already we don't need fundraising! YAY! By the way, I'll chip in $5, for next year! *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Eacott@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:30:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Space1999: S1999 animated series S1999 animated series?! Never heard of it! We must find out more! The 22 Trek cartoons aired 73-74, but are all available on video tape and were aired on Nickolodeon and, in the past few years, on the Sci-Fi Channel on Saturday mornings. *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Eacott@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:30:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Space1999: Ratings, ITC, Year 2 Changes, and Freiberger <Hell, no show is perfect. I think that's one of the reasons we love it so much after 20 years. We can look at the mistakes and laugh.> This is so true! Look around you...how many fans of the 80s series Buck Rogers do you see? S1999 still holds up after 20 years, and that says a lot about the creativity that went into the show. <Spock was also a counterpoint to the...humans...and therefore very revealing of the humans he was bouncing off of. Wouldn't this naturally be the progression for Maya as well, considering the tragic circumstances that led to her joining the Alphans? Instead, she's bubbly, and more human and well adjusted than the humans themselves, making the fact that she's an alien nothing more than a gimmick, when in fact she had the depth of character, a built-in history...> But that would take time, and be character development. It seems as though they wanted S1999 to have a quick fix. Hence they avoided this. But I agree Maya deserves to feel deep pain and sorrow for what she went through. After all, as far as the Alphans know, Earth is fine and dandy (not withstanding the weird Y1 return-to-Earth episode that said Earth was barren), with tidal problems, and all that--but Earth is still around. For Maya, Psychon is dead, the planet's blown up, and we only meet one other survivor! <I always thought along the same lines. No matter how well adjusted a person you are, seeing your entire race/planet destroyed has got to be the most horrible thing. People go totally over the edge after personal tragedies like the death of a child, spouse, etc. Losing your entire race/planet has got to be much worse. I could never imagine Maya as aloof, being an outgoing person naturally, but I always thought of her 'happy act' as quite a facade. She had to be in terrible pain when she was alone, especially before becoming close to Tony.> I suppose Psychons adjust better to circumstances than us humans. Perhaps that bubbly, more human side was a demonstration of how to properly adjust to the circumstances. OR she was hiding her pain behind that behavior. I did the same thing in college, put up a really happy facade to mask the pain of the death of my father. Seeing evidence of that in the show would have had the same impact as seeing Spock cry in Trek's Naked Time episode--it would have revealed that extra depth to the character that we know was there! BTW, I have never seen The Metamorph! I will copy it from you guys eventually; it must be terrific! *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Eacott@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:30:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Space1999: S1999 comics <One more thing - my friend says he saw 1999 comics in Perth. Does anyone know anything about them as well?> <Charleton comics put out a Space: 1999 series. All of the ones that I saw were Year 1 characters. The artist was John Byrne (he's been doing Superman or had been...My understanding is that the comics have become quite collectible because of Mr. Byrne's later work.> S1999 comics were published by Charlton Comics in the 70s. No, the John Byrne involved in the comics is not the Johnny Byrne S1999 writer; this John Byrne is an artist from Canada who's been a steady, popular artist at Marvel and DC for years, who relaunched Superman, and currently draws Wonder Woman and Jack Kirby's Forth World. He is best known for drawing the X-Men, now the best selling comics series around because of him and his fellow writer, Chris Claremont, and X-Men is now a tv movie (Gen X has aired; X-Men live-action was just announced, and Gen X TV series is due in fall 97 on FOX). Anyway, back to the subject. I never read or owned any of these S1999 comics, but I have this info, from 'Focus on John Byrne', Fantagraphics Books, 1984: S1999 #3: "Bring Them Back Alive" writer Nick Cuti, Artist/Letterer/Cover art John Byrne 22pages S1999 #4: "Demon Star!" writer Nick Cuti, Artist/Letterer/Cover art John Byrne 22pages S1999 #5: Gods of the Planey Olympus" writer Nick Cuti, Artist/Letterer/Cover art John Byrne 22pages S1999 #6: "Flotsam/Survival" writer/Artist/Letterer/Cover art John Byrne 22pages The book I'm quoting from also has reproduced the line art of the cover of issue 5, which is a cool drawing of Koenig piloting an Eagle. If anyone wants it, I can scan it and e-mail it for you. I'll go hunting for this series when I'm at the Chicago Comicon in July. You've got me all curious to see what they look like; maybe I can find some. *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Ina Litera <ilitera@idt.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:54:38 +0000 Subject: Space1999: Intoduction I realize that I've gone ahead and posted to this list without introducing myself, which is kinda rude. My name is Ina Litera and like most everyone else I watch S19 when I was about 13. About 3 years ago I was on tour in Germany playing for the European company of My Fair Lady (I'm a violist) when I encountered Tony Anholt, (He was playing Higgins). Anyway that starting me thinking and when I got home I found the scifi channel (then new here in NY) was showing S19 and I got rehooked. Anyway that's my short story also I apologize for my bad typing, Later Ina *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:05:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Space1999: old thread Welcome to the list Ina: > I know I'm many weeks behind, but a while ago there was talk of > Sandra's undying loyalty to Paul. If memory serves correctly wasn't > Sandra engaged to someone else (I think this came up in BOW, but I'm > not sure) Anyway if she was such a loyal personality, one would > think her devotion would be to her almost spouse. This begs the question, how far do you take loyalty? This fiance was someone who was on Earth at the time of Breakaway, and the version of him we saw in Bringers of Wonder was a projection of this person. After Breakaway, I think Sandra could have safely said that the relationship didn't have a chance, and so she started checking out the locals. :) Robert Robert Ruiz (espresso@dnai.com) San Francisco, California USA Cybrarian of the Space: 1999 Cybrary at: http://204.188.13.27/welcome.htm *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:05:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Space1999: Victor Doll- worth? NicStepro@aol.com writes: > I have an opportunity to get a Victor doll. How much is he worth? > Supposedly in excellent condition, but he previously stated it > wasn't in the original package etc. The Mattel figures are generally $25-$35 loose and up to $55-$75 or more still in the package. The Palitoy figures are usually about $150 or so loose (though I bought the two aliens last year for $85 each), and generally $250 still in package for John and Paul, up to $450 still in package for Alan. Alan can also cost about $250 loose. Robert Robert Ruiz (espresso@dnai.com) San Francisco, California USA Cybrarian of the Space: 1999 Cybrary at: http://204.188.13.27/welcome.htm *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: David Welle <dwelle@online.dct.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 03:18:02 Subject: Space1999: Apples and Oranges? At 08:17 PM 02/27/97 -0500, Lynn (DAllard422@aol.com) wrote: >Am I the only one out there who enjoys yr 2 as much as yr 1? I find things I >truly enjoy about each yr and things I dislike. Nope, you're not the only one. I like them both about the same, though in something of an "apples and oranges" sense. They both have their own merits, and their own drawbacks. When I first saw Year One, I was six, and most of the deeper stuff flew right over my head. It was still pretty fun to watch, so I hung around. Year Two was what hooked me. I loved the characters, the stories, and still enjoyed all the space scenery and the ships. Except for some reruns in 1977, and just a couple episodes in 1988 or so, I didn't see the series again until late 1992, when the Sci-Fi Channel first started airing it. I had no idea what to expect, or if I'd even like the series after so many years--but I wasn't the least bit disappointed. I still didn't know what to make of many Y1 episodes, but was once again engrossed by Y2. It took awhile longer for my appreciation of Y1 to grow, but it has grown quite a lot, and there are *many* elements I appreciate about both seasons--as well as many elements that I don't care much for in each. Don't think this necessarily contradicts what I said in my previous post. Look carefully at the earlier one, and see how I quote words or use 'perceived'. I may have missed a few such instances, but I was only analyzing certain perceptions that came into play when ITC looked at the lower-than-expected ratings and started asking, "What went wrong?"--not what I or others perceived as viewers/fans, which I want to get to (I think I separate that as another post). But one more point about ratings... Robert reminded us, in his discussion about Hollywood, of just how distasteful the "game" can be. Curiously, the obsessive concern for ratings can actually lead to ratings downfalls. How many series didn't hit their real stride until well into the first season, or even their second seasons? In the quest for ever-higher ratings, producers--but even more so broadcast executives, it seems--can forget that it can take awhile to "find" and capture the audience. I've heard about quite a few of the most blockbuster TV series that didn't start building huge audience ratings until much later--but for the life of me, the only one I can think of is "Cheers", and I don't think that's the right example (it's been a long day). So many promising series get dropped so quickly it's impossible to tell if they would have broken out given time. It's an ugly game (one of many), and it's afflicted so many series, including S19. Just warming up... (and you're thinking what? Oh no? :-) - ---- David Welle dwelle@online.dct.com http://www.dct.com/~dwelle/s19.html *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 To unsubscribe digest: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999-digest *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: David Welle <dwelle@online.dct.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 03:34:48 Subject: Space1999: Apples/Oranges? Y1, Y2, & Interpersonality Hello all! Like Robert said in another note, Y1 can be something like of a fine wine, and it may take awhile for all of the flavors to come through. One such example for me was when I started recognizing the "wooden" characterizations were oft-times more subtle than wooden. In the early stages, an efficient, business-like "coldness" made sense in its own way. Later, as Y1 progressed and even more-so in Y2, the Alphans grew together as a community. Rather than just a collection of experts, they started growing their own culture of a sort. After all, Breakaway left them only their own memories, computer records, and some physical artifacts to remember Earth by. So they had to start building something of their own. Emotionally, the people started out as mostly brisk, efficient, business-like, even distant. This is not surprising in its own way. Many were still strangers to each other, either from it being a recent posting, taking time to adjust, or just the size of the base (would you know everyone at a business with 300-some employees?). This actually makes sense, IMO, considering the high-powered nature of getting a post to this most prestigous (or one of the most, it would seem) posting in the solar system, the absolute dedication to ones duties, then the shellshock of Breakaway, and subsequent alien encounters and outright attacks. Little time for anything else but a few brief conversations (often at the end of many Y1 episodes), moments of deeper human contact. Not that they didn't care at other times. Koenig's gruff concern for Carter in "Collision Course," to cite one example, or Koenig's even greater concern for Helena as the season progressed. Not always obvious, and it could take multiple viewings to even recognize in some cases--but even then, it could leave some wondering if it was always there or not. They simply played it too subtle at times, it seems, and I can easily see how it led to accusations of "coldness", as even I had that impression for the longest time (first impressions aren't always easy to shake off, even if you're trying). On the other hand, the point can still stand on its own. Robert, for example, has already discussed the lack of forward momentum that was insisted on by ITC, especially Abe Mandell, and how it actually worked against the series, and ultimately led (in part) to the criticisms, ratings disappointments (overall), and attempts to humanize the series (even if carried to the point of OVER-compensation by ITC and Freiberger). Greater appreciation or not, I still didn't get that much of a feeling of emotional growth, and that's still something that dogs my impression of Y1. Like I said, however, I have considerably greater appreciation for Y1's uniqueness, and can accept that the emotional distances made sense in their own way. They had brief moments of deeper human interaction, but the name of the game seemed to be "Duty above all", not only before Breakaway, but after it as well. But how long can this be kept up, when all other ties have been severed? No chance to contact family or friends back on Earth. No chance for vacations, or contact with *real* nature. A bunch of other driven individuals you never really got to know because of the continual demands of your duties (true before and after Breakaway). Sure, there were those moments of connection, and others I'm sure we had never seen. But I still, to this day, get a sense of mostly-isolated individuals, trapped in their own spacious but almost sterile quarters, on a somewhat "colorless" base. Don't forget Helena's words from "Death's Other Dominion": "But Alpha isn't home. It's a barracks, on a barren rock, flying endlessly through space! We want a real home. A place to live. To.. raise children." This is one of my favorite quotes from the whole series, and is quite illustrative of a few of the points I was making in my previous paragraph. It's not a home. Not a place to live. How long could you live there without going crazy? How many actually *went* insane in some way? Moments of warmth still make for mostly cold days, so to speak, and I can't imagine this being enough for most people who are marooned from everything and everyone they had previously known. Sooner or later, the emotional stress of their situation would break down barriers. The only question, it seems to me, would be whether those "barriers" are those separating people, or those separating people from insanity. The people in Y1 for the most part still seemed rather isolated from each other. But the barriers were slowly dropping. Year Two had a much stronger feeling of interpersonal warmth and closeness, of a group of people who had pulled together into a self-supportive community. Humor to help cope with the pain. Strong, supportive relationships. Romance that was, simply put... inevitable, very human, and even very necessary. Could you really imagine being marooned and not wanting to find someone? Would you really be able to help it? At least Year Two injected these elements, and even showed some "forward momentum" during the year, as we saw Maya and Tony's relationship deepen, for example, even if things could be left frustratingly vague at times. Not that Year Two did its own things perfectly either. The "human" elements, if realistic in their own right, were sometimes mishandled. Put together, both series came off with their own extremes. Year One for holding an almost unchanging, non-evolving interpersonal distance, when reality and sanity would suggest that people would have to pull together more quickly in the face of their circumstances. Year Two for jumping so abruptly to its own form, and not always handling it well. If Year One had greater forward momentum, we might have seen a smoother transition in the natural of Alphan interpersonal relationships, and the Y2 jump would not have seemed so abrupt in this regard. Or on the other hand, give Y1's slow inching forward, perhaps if Year Two was dated (in the Alphan calendar), from couple *years* after Breakaway, it would have made more sense (even if a huge time gap was left). Without a doubt, it was an extreme jump from mere moments of deeper human contact, *slowly* increasing and deepening over time, to such an overwhelming (one could even say overpowering) sense of community. Even if both made sense in their own ways, it was still a radical jump. But I still say interpersonal relationships had to strengthen in many ways to stay sane, given Alpha's ugly situation. But the extreme shift? If "forward momentum" had been stronger, instead of being intentional repressed (for the most part), we could have seen it progress in a way that would have been more fulfilling, in a sense, without frustrating many viewers for the perceived lack of change. If they had progressed in such a manner, we could have seen an exploration of the changes of a collection of people sharing some moments and evolving by fits and starts into a closer-knit community over time. (BTW, this does not preclude conflict by any means; what community lacks this?) Revisiting the "subtle flavor" metaphor for a second, and not just in regard to interpersonal relationships, but the series as a *whole*.... As much as the subtlety can be wonderful, it still hurt the series, IMO. It could get so subtle sometimes, that you couldn't recognize it for what it was until you saw it several times, either over the course of a run of episodes, and/or on second/third/etc. viewings of *each* episode--but how many people would hold out for that? Well, yes, it's their loss. But for a new series on which expectations were running high (perhaps unrelistically high), could it afford having a mass of initial viewers tuning in, watching it, not getting it, and tuning out--many permanently? Perhaps it made too many of its flavors too subtle. To carry the wine metaphor further (perhaps too far), it would be like a wine with a bouquet (sp?) that starts wonderfully, then goes flat or perhaps even bitter for some seconds, then slowly starts to pick up with previously hidden riches? How many people can get past those middle impressions? "Flat? Bitter?" you might ask, not seeing S19 this way, even metaphorically. But how many people saw special effects first, failed to get past plots that first seem confusing and characters that first seem cold or wooden, and never got as far as the subtle but rewarding opening of layers that could follow? How many people got lost along the way, for *whatever* reason, and simply tuned out before they could grasp the intent, and the uniqueness, of S19? Sometimes, it was outright closed-mindness, the type many ST fans display, or the type that many critics seem to constantly affect. Sometimes, the open-mindness was there, but just not enough patience, or that in the end, the themes simply did not grab them well enough. Their loss? Sure. But in ITC's quest for perhaps unrealistic ratings, it seems it became everyone's loss as well. Instead of splicing new additions/changes into the existing structure, they decided there were too many problems, and rewrote much of the structure instead. A pity they couldn't taste all the bouquets of their own wine.... Just a few thoughts. 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