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From: bq669@freenet.carleton.ca (Cynthia Howe)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:48:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: The Song
>
>click on the "Miscellaneous/Odds+Ends" button, and you'll be there (a web
>page with more details and download links). BTW, the sound files are in
>.WAV format.
>
>Due to the file sizes involved, I can only keep this posted for a short
>time, so check it out now!
>
Dave,
I have NetNav. 3 and I clicked on the wav files you mentioned above and
the window opened, but they wouldn't play! How can I download these files?
Thanks,
Cynthia
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From: TStear629@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:00:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: The Song
Interesting song, but grunge just ain't my type.
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From: Greg Martinez <gremart@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 19:18:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: MPC/ERTL Eagle 1 Transporter Re-release
Dave Walsh wrote:
>
> At 02:22 PM 3/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Does anyone know if MPC/ERTL has a web page or
> >e-mail; perhaps one of us could find out what's really going
> >on concerning the Eagle Transporter model rerelease.
> >
> >grog@erie.net
>
> Believe me, I really looked! No luck, however. :(
>
> "Ninety percent of Science-Fiction is crud. That's because
> ninety percent of everything is crud."
> Theodore Sturgeon
>
> Dave Walsh
> Voidspyder@pipeline.com
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Try This phone #(800-553-4886)This is ERTL/AMT's Phone number. I dont
know what kind of answer you will get, they my not give informaton on
future kits.
Greg Martinez
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From: "SHANE CROZIER" <scrozier@iinet.net.au>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:42:07 +0800
Subject: Re: Space1999: Animated Series List
Hi Mike
I live in Perth and I have never seen or heard of any of the items you
mention. What year was the scifi con????
I'd love to check on this stuff for the rest of the List, if you can
furnish some details, no matter how "vague" I have contacts that can
probably help.
let me know if I can help
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From: stone12@ix.netcom.com (Greg R Stone)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:38:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: MPC/ERTL Eagle 1 Transporter Re-release
Hey, Greg! (nice name)
I have looked under several AMT/ERTL sites, and over 100
hobbie/model kit sites, and I can see nothing about Ertl bringing
out anything on Space:1999 or Battlestar Galactica. One hobbie
warehouse site had Ertl's complete listing of 1997 releases, and
the only thing Science Fiction related is Star Trek!
The reason that I'm writing to you, is I saw you posting
on the mailing list, and I cannot seem to post on the mailing list
correctly. Every time I try, it comes out wrong, and there are no
instructions how to post properly. Anyway, if you could post this
info, it would help other people on the mailing.
Take Care, Greg Stone
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From: Dave Walsh <voidspyder@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 21:24:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: MPC/ERTL Eagle 1 Transporter Re-release
At 07:38 PM 3/1/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
> Hey, Greg! (nice name)
>
> I have looked under several AMT/ERTL sites, and over 100
> hobbie/model kit sites, and I can see nothing about Ertl bringing
> out anything on Space:1999 or Battlestar Galactica. One hobbie
> warehouse site had Ertl's complete listing of 1997 releases, and
> the only thing Science Fiction related is Star Trek!
I also found the AMT\ERTL site, and I figured that there was no info
because the kits were being produced by their MPC subsidiary.
"Ninety percent of Science-Fiction is crud. That's because
ninety percent of everything is crud."
Theodore Sturgeon
Dave Walsh
Voidspyder@pipeline.com
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From: Claudia Coles <ccoles@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:27:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Space1999: RE: Accents Away! :)
Hi All,
Out of lurk mode for just a while. I hope everyone's doing just fine.
Before I ask/make my question/comment, I need to preference one thing:
accents are a *relative* phenomenon. What is an accent to one person, is
not necessarily an accent to another (eg. british accent vs. American
accent vs. Australian accent, when the primary *language* is English) I feel
that the presence of accents seem to add a special flavor to a show,
especially one like Space: 1999.
Well, with all that said, I wanted to know if anyone has ever recognized
any aliens on Space: 1999 having anything other than a "British" or
"american" type accent. For example, Cellini, Mateo, and Luke all had
non-british/american "accents", but they were all Alphans. I just can't
remember hearing an *alien* having an accent other that these two types.
Can anyone name me others that aliens may have had that I've missed?
Thanks. :)
[ Oh, and please, could we refrain from any "Yakso-bashing" this round. I
can't help but be a little sensitive about this. Thanks all :)]
Respectfully submitted,
your fellow Alphan,
Claudia
Chief Communications Liaison (CCSAS) MBA Contractor - 16a
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From: Claudia Coles <ccoles@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:09:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Space1999: OT: Johhny Byrne and "The Doctor"
Hi All,
I have to say that after my recent induction into "Who-ism" [ "Dr. Who" that
is :) ], I was *pleasantly* surprised to see Johnny Byrne as a writer for
one of the episodes I just watched the other day, "The Keeper of Traken".
It is one of the best ones I have seen so far and is quite intriguing.
It's nice to see Johnny's name on other shows that you like :).
Well, TTFN, and if anyone has any good URLs on Dr. Who, please let me
know. See ya.
your still loyal and fellow Alphan, but recently indoctrinated "Who-ite",
Claudia
Chief Communications Liaison (CCSAS) MBA Contractor - 16a
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From: David Welle <dwelle@online.dct.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 22:18:09
Subject: Re: Space1999: The Song
At 07:48 PM 03/01/97 -0500, Cynthia Howe (bq669@freenet.carleton.ca) wrote:
>
>I have NetNav. 3 and I clicked on the wav files you mentioned above and
>the window opened, but they wouldn't play! How can I download these files?
Which window? If anything, the files are meant to be downloaded to disk
and played with a separate WAV-playing program (e.g. "WinDAT" or even the
play mode of "Sound Recorder", among others). I am aware Netscape
Navigator 3.0 has some ability to play binary files within itself (through
"plug-ins" or newly built-in abilities), but I am not familiar with these
capabilities, and cannot say what might be going wrong.
Try downloading the file to disk first (this should be an option or mode
within NetNav), and playing it with a separate player. If that doesn't
work, I'm not sure what more I can do, because I have only one sound
recorder and one sound editor program, so these are the only versions I can
create.
At 07:21 PM 03/01/97 -0500, Deborah Capuano <magneto@bc.seflin.org> wrote:
>
>Look I'm stuck with an ancient terminal here that can't access such things
>as .wav files etc :(
>could you possibly send me the lyrics of the song in question?
Well, for the most part, grunge isn't my type of music either (someone just
happened to bring the song to my attention), and it didn't come with a
lyric sheet, but I took a stab at it, and updated the webpage accordingly
(or do you still need the lyrics emailed?).
Again, go to the web address listed below, click on the "Miscellaneous..."
button (which I see I had previously misspelled! -- now corrected), and
you'll be there.
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dwelle@online.dct.com
http://www.dct.com/~dwelle/s19.html
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From: Ernesto de la Fuente <edelafuente@spin.com.mx>
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 20:53:21 -0600
Subject: Re: Space1999: Neo-Nazi fascist in search of animates series
To John J Fleming & all alphans:
So, we are a Space 1999 Neo-Nazi fan club acording to this person?
Well, at least we ARE TOGETHER and we share REAL INFORMATION with no
mysteries!!!
When I arrived to our MBA one of the things that really fascinated me is
the lots of warm souls that I found here, so I'm very, very angry with
this person for calling us Notzis.
If the guy wants to go away, fine for me. If he had the information that
he said and the intention to share it with us, he would have done it
since the begining.
Angry Alpha Eagle
Ernesto de la Fuente
P.D. Heil
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From: allan@iquest.net
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:01:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Apples/Oranges? Y1, Y2, & Interpersonality
>Like Robert said in another note, Y1 can be something like of a fine wine,
>and it may take awhile for all of the flavors to come through. One such
>example for me was when I started recognizing the "wooden"
>characterizations were oft-times more subtle than wooden.
>
David, I couldn't agree more.
I recently got all the episodes of Space:1999, Y1 &Y2. I sort of went on a
mini marathon of my own and have watched all the videos in the last few
weeks (some more than once). It had been several years since I had seen
Space:1999. My husband has accused me of trying to memorize them. Since he
doesn't remember the series from childhood and hasn't had time to watch it
with me, he's sort of clueless. I have been trying to describe this show to
him. "Subtle" is exactly a word I used.
After years of hearing how wooden the acting was in Y1, I was pleasantly
surprised. Maybe because I watched them all together, or because I'm a whole
lot older, I found the characters very human. Dignified and subtle, yes.
But that's why Helena seems so strong in the first season(to me). It seems
to me that the affection between John and Helena is very real and present in
the first season. Not immediately, but after all, they just met. But as the
episodes develop, even if there are no specific lines, the looks say alot.
Still they do work together. It would seen somewhat inappropriate to
make-out in main mission.
However seeing Y1 now after having seen Y2, I may be able to pick up on
things I missed the first time (when I was 10). Knowing that emotion is
there makes it easier to see.
Something I thought earlier this week: Maybe the acting isn't the problem
at all. Maybe it's the way the scene is edited or the the camera angle or
something. It seems that the camera angle changes too quickly sometimes.
For instance, Helena is talking to John. He says something. She starts to
react and boom we are watching his back instead of her reaction. STuff like
that. I have also been watching Mission:Impossible lately , back to back
with Space:1999. The difference in how close-ups and reactions are shown is
interesting.
I don't really know anything about television production (obviously). Just
thought I'd add my .02 cents.
Faith aka
allan@iquest.net
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From: Claudia Coles <ccoles@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:20:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Hmmm....
Hi Gregg,
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Gregory L. Wilcox wrote:
>
> John, shhhhhhhhhhhh.
>
>
> Some members are in the "Witness Protection Program". We have to keep
> moving around for their safety.
>
>
> Mums the word.
Is this in regards to the on-going international Fred Freiberger trial?
Just curious :)
being silly,
your fellow Alphan,
Claudia
Chief Communications Liaison (CCSAS) MBA Contractor - 16a
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From: John@coldnorth.com (John J Fleming)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:47:06 -0500
Subject: Space1999: Models kits Re-release
> I have looked under several AMT/ERTL sites, and over 100
> hobbie/model kit sites, and I can see nothing about Ertl bringing
> out anything on Space:1999 or Battlestar Galactica. One hobbie
> warehouse site had Ertl's complete listing of 1997 releases, and
> the only thing Science Fiction related is Star Trek!
The BSG kits are comeing out in a month or so. They are in the 1997
catalogue. But the sites are not always upto date on these things. So, keep
looking, and maybe we'll get lucky. But then again, those of us who do own
them might not agree. The Eagle is bad. It will take more work to fix, than
to build one from scratch. The Hawk is ok. But I don't have the Moonbase
yet. Still working on that trade.
> The reason that I'm writing to you, is I saw you posting
> on the mailing list, and I cannot seem to post on the mailing list
> correctly. Every time I try, it comes out wrong, and there are no
> instructions how to post properly. Anyway, if you could post this
> info, it would help other people on the mailing.
Well Mr. Stone, you seem to have figured it out. Cool! So, post away.
Later...
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From: ggreg@nwu.edu (Ggreg)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:01:23 -0600
Subject: Space1999: OT: Johhny Byrne and "The Doctor"
claudia and any otherinterested parties:
mr byrne also wrote at leat one other WHO episode, ARC OF INFINITY, which
is one of the peter davison (the doctor after baker) episodes.
i envy you your new found WHO interest. you have a special, fantastic
viewing experience ahead of you.
enjoy!
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From: Marcy K <mk@wizard.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:02:18 -0500
Subject: Space1999: Re: getting along
What a joy to come home after working 10+ hours, then having to go fight
with my countertop subcontractor and find all these gems in my mailbox. It
makes squishing 1999 activities into my life feel ever so worth the effort.
Mike, I would reply to your posts/accusations but my time is pretty
precious to me and I'm not going to waste it and clutter up anyone's
mailbox further on this issue. Feel free to direct any further insults to
me in private email.
To conclude this email, everyone please remember that I am still a list
member. All of my posts to the list, unless clearly marked otherwise are my
own opinion and nothing else. I feel I still have the right to post my
opinion without being flamed for making 'rules'. Rules will be clearly
marked as such and are all there for smoother functioning of the list, i.e.
no binaries to be posted to the list. There are no rules regarding content
of posts.
Marcy
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From: Jonathan Ward <JWard@lonet.ca>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:26:55 -0500
Subject: Space1999: Mattel Eagle for sale
The following is a clip from a newsgroup that I think may be of interest to
some of you.
Please respond privately to the person's address posted after the clipping.
I do not know this person, so please exercise caution.
Jonathan Ward
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> From the best scienfic fiction show of the 1970's staring the husband and
> wife acting team of Martin Landeau and Barbara Bain, SPACE : 1999, I have
a
> SPACE 1999 EAGLE TRANSPORTER made by the Mattel Toy company . Now after
> more than 20 years, it is still near mint in the box and includes all
> little, thrusters, windows, chairs, landing pads, figures with their
little
> helmets and chest packs with one laser rifle and the intstruction sheet
for
> the Eagle. Both the Actual ship and the Box are in Very Good shape. The
> colours are still very bright on the box. Im asking $ 225.00 for it .
> Postage will be abit extra.
>
> thanks for your interest. Please email me if you a further questions,
> thanks Jim
James@interlynx.net
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From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:41:15 -0700
Subject: Space1999: List Donations
Daphne Vezina writes:
> To whom do I send my personnal contribution for the maintenance of
> our mailing list? And will 20$ US do? I have so much fun reading
> and lurking
Boy oh boy, such generosity from everyone. Thank you all! Daphne
and all who have not yet confirmed contributions, please don't send
any more money more than $1. We are already at a surplus and I do
not want to get into this situation where we've got people's money
sitting around. Anything additional we collect will go into paying
for NEXT year (months 13 forward), but we are ALREADY into next
year, and it seems a bit silly to pay that far ahead, so please,
thank you all, but we really do have enough donations at this point.
Oh, and happy birthday, Daphne! I hope you enjoyed your day.
Thanks All,
Robert
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From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:41:15 -0700
Subject: Space1999: Idiots? Insulting?
Mike Grygo writes:
> Thank you for responding. I recently read an e-mail from
> Marcy referring to those people who used to differ with
> her love of Year 2 as idiots. Well, I'm one of those idiots
> you've been insulting. See, you can't restrain
> yourself under your own rules because guess what,
> you're a human who wants to express herself!!!
> Forget the rules and let freedom of speech, thoughts
> an opinions ring! Don't box me in baby!
Mike:
What you wrote above is so unfounded, so ABSOLUTELY untrue. Marcy
never said anything like that. She has NEVER characterized anyone
who differs from her points of view as "idiots," she has never
insulted anyone, and indeed, she was advocating quite the opposite
in her post, which I think, if you reread it, you will see.
I understand how you feel. I read Marcy's post to Ggreg and even I
was a little taken aback at the way it came off, but you know what?
I knew that regardless of the way it came off, this was not what
Marcy meant it to come off like. And how did I know this? I looked
at the body of Marcy's e-mail over the last year and what I know of
her as a person instead of reacting to just one single e-mail.
I have worked with Marcy on getting this list put together, I have
spent the last year knowing Marcy through this list, and I looked at
this as ONE action which I KNOW Marcy did not intend to come off the
way it did, and in the scheme of things it is inconsequential in
understanding who she is as a person. One act, regardless of being
good or bad, real OR PERCEIVED, does not define a person entirely. If
you knew her over time you would know she's not like how you perceive
or portray her, and I find what you wrote to be careless and, at the
very least, knee jerk and misguided. If you really felt this way you
should have sent her a private e-mail expressing your concerns in a
productive fashion. Instead, you sent it to the list and involved us
all. Marcy deserves better than this, and you should remember that
in the future each time you visit her site or log in for your list
mail. I'm sure you have absolutely no concept of how draining it is
to be one of the people on this list who makes things happen and
gets things organized, but let me tell you, it is EXHAUSTING, and I
will be the first to say that Marcy handles it much better than I.
Take it from me, Mike. Unless someone is being a Paul, Nick/Cat,
Shoebox, or Gwent, they can say whatever they want on this list.
Nobody took this over to edit content or freedom of expression. We
just ask that people be considerate and respectful REGARDLESS of
others' opinions. Read the FAQ. It's in there! This doesn't work
one way, it works for everyone. Marcy likes Series 2, I like Series
1. So what? Nobody's looking for converts here.
You know, those of us who do things for this list must be doing them
REALLY well, because people seem to expect that if we do anything we
have to be able to do it like we're some professional organization
with resources to burn at our fingertips. Would you like the job
that Marcy has taken on? Let me tell you, it is an absolutely
THANKLESS job, and it eats an INCREDIBLE amount of time and energy,
but Marcy saw a need and SELFLESSLY stepped in and filled it, and I
think she's done an EXCELLENT job at addressing ongoing problems on
this list. I submit to you that instead of grabbing onto ONE thing
and screaming censorship or whatever it is you're saying, you should
look at everything else she's done and ask yourself if you're maybe
taking it wrong.
You know what, Mike? Let me just tell you. You ARE taking it wrong.
I think you should reread what Marcy wrote and ask yourself if your
response was appropriate. I don't think it was, but I'm not
chastising you for it. Again, say anything you want. But for those
of us who have been here longer than you and who know Marcy better
than you, we KNOW what you wrote isn't true.
As for the rest of the stuff you wrote, I think it is SUCH CRAP that
I'm not even going to bother to respond to it. This "core group" as
you call it -- and that obviously you resent -- is something you've
created in your mind. This list exists solely for the benefit of
anyone who wants to discuss the show, regardless of their views. If
someone wants to lurk, that's their right, but don't try to make it
sound like those of us who contribute are somehow oppressing those
who choose not to.
Respectfully submitted,
Robert
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From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:00:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Space1999: The Song
Cynthia Howe writes:
> I have NetNav. 3 and I clicked on the wav files you mentioned above
> and the window opened, but they wouldn't play! How can I download
> these files?
Cynthia/All:
If "NetNav. 3" means Netscape Navigator 3.0, Netscape's stupid
interface makes it look like nothing's happening FOREVER then the
music or whatever starts. The program gives no feedback that it's
doing anything, but if you see the boring gray box it is actually
working. Just start it and wait and it should happen.
Robert
Robert Ruiz (espresso@dnai.com)
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From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:00:54 -0700
Subject: Space1999: Letter to Mike Meredith
Dear Mike:
I was sorry to read your response to the list. Forgive me, but up
until now I thought you were just a fictitious person created by
someone who was trying to set us up and have a few laughs. I think
most others did as well. (And, indeed, I'm not entirely sure that
you still aren't.)
As someone pointed out, we are a very well connected group of
international people in Space: 1999 fandom and not one of us has ever
heard of an animated series. I can tell you that no such thing is
mentioned in any of the extensive collection of books and magazine
articles that I have read that deal with Gerry Anderson's projects or
even just about Space: 1999 itself.
If there is an animated version, it is most likely a fan-produced
endeavor, or perhaps someone created these episodes you mentioned and
attempted to get the go ahead to sell them and had no luck doing so,
so nobody knows about it except for a few people who have found
underground copies. Also, no such animated series is mentioned in
the Moonbase Alpha Technical Notebook from Starlog, but it would not
be difficult for someone to make a supplement that looks like it was
part of the original. So in the end, I don't know if you're a real
person or if these things exist, but my gut reaction is that they
don't. I would, however, be quite pleased to have you prove me
wrong.
For someone to perpetrate a hoax like this is not unheard of on the
Internet, so you really shouldn't take our skepticism personally. If
people sent you nasty e-mails over this, well, you can let that
bother you or not. They don't know you so they're not really sending
them to YOU, they're sending them to a perception of you (and what do
you care what they think anyway, if you know the truth?).
Anyway, if you are a real person and not just someone perpetrating a
hoax, don't let it get you down, and don't let the words of a few
ruin the whole list for you if you're interested in staying.
If you really want to prove everyone wrong, feel free to send me a
VHS copy of even one of the episodes you have and I'll get out the
Snappy, grab some images, and throw up a few frames in the Cybrary.
Again, I don't believe there's any such series, but I have no
emotional investment in this and I'm open to you proving me wrong if
you want to.
Robert
Robert Ruiz (espresso@dnai.com)
San Francisco, California USA
Cybrarian of the Space: 1999 Cybrary at:
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