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From: stone12@ix.netcom.com (Greg R Stone)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:15:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: stungun prop question
You wrote:
>
>Jonathan Ward wrote:
>>
>> I ordered a stugun prop from Clint Young about a month ago. I was wondering
>> if anyone knew if he still made them and how they are.
>>
Hello, Jonathan, (and all alphans)
If you cannot contact Clint Young, I still have plenty of
Stunguns and Comlocks for sale (see Marcy's board under Classified)
You can reach me at (310) 938-9855!
Greg Stone
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From: djlerda@juno.com (David J Lerda)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:22:56 EST
Subject: Space1999: Off-Topic: The Starlost
Warning: Off-topic question. If not interested, Delete now.
Since it was brought up on this list that "The Starlost" is now available
on video I had some questions. I briefly remember the show and its
premise. I also remember that it is generally regarded by SF fans as
cruddy and that its creator, Harlan Ellison, disavowed to the point of
having his name taken off the thing. I know it only ran for 17 episodes.
Were there any decent shows that would be worth seeing? Even Lost in
Space had a few decent shows. Please direct any e-mail to me privately.
Let's see. How is this related to 1999? I've got it. Victor refers to
the ark in Mission of the Darians and the ship in the Starlost is called
the Ark.
Thanks.
David
Pilot, Recon Eagle 13
aka
David Lerda
Salisbury, Maryland, USA
djlerda@juno.com
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From: djlerda@juno.com (David J Lerda)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:22:56 EST
Subject: Re: Space1999: I am I (was Duties/Roles)
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:44:04 -0500 Patricia Sokol <sokolp@war.wyeth.com>
writes:
>Another thing I remember clearly from Edge of the Infinite, the last
>book of the novelizations, is that the Alphans figured they could
>settle there after all, once the toxic nature of the planet had been
>stopped. Of course, this was never followed up upon.
>
>End of Part I.
>
>-PTS.
>
Patti,
I always was left with the impression from "Edge of the Infinite" that
the Alphans were going to settle the new planet. The novel had the
sub-plot that the moon was headed for intergalactic space and they would
not be able to survive the long journey. I figured the author wrote this
book knowing the show would not be renewed and just wanted to give a stab
at wrapping up the series.
David
Pilot, Recon Eagle 13
aka
David Lerda
Salisbury, Maryland, USA
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From: jsullivan@internet.kronos.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 11:34:03 EST
Subject: Re: Space1999: FWD: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
GROG@erie.net,
As you have requested, I can clearly see your message through the list
and am responding.
- Jim -
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Subject: Space1999: FWD: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
Author: space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net at internet
Date: 3/11/97 11:30 AM
>Return-Path: <GROG@erie.net>
>Comments: Authenticated sender is <GROG@moose.erie.net>
>X-Ph: V3.12@relay
>From: "MIKE GRYGO" <GROG@erie.net>
>To: rablair@ix.netcom.com
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:36:02 -0500
>Subject: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
>Reply-To: GROG@erie.net
>Cc: ggreg@nwu.edu
>Return-Receipt-To: GROG@erie.net
>Priority: normal
>
>A few members of the list have helped me find out what's
>going on and what's going on is that when I send out a post
>to the world it seems to get accepted, except by the 1999 list
>After sending a few posts out (cc: to others as well) it did
>not show up on the list, but did make it through to these
>people.
>
>To avoid misunderstanding, please post AND respond to
>this e-mail. No malice is suggested on your part at the
>moment, but so help me if I find out you're controling
>who can speak, and who cannot. This list is an open and
>public forum originating from the United States of America,
>is it not? I'm speaking to you most of all Marcy.
>
>grog@erie.net
>
>
ggreg
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From: jsullivan@internet.kronos.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 11:34:03 EST
Subject: Re: Space1999: FWD: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
GROG@erie.net,
As you have requested, I can clearly see your message through the list
and am responding.
- Jim -
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Subject: Space1999: FWD: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
Author: space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net at internet
Date: 3/11/97 11:30 AM
>Return-Path: <GROG@erie.net>
>Comments: Authenticated sender is <GROG@moose.erie.net>
>X-Ph: V3.12@relay
>From: "MIKE GRYGO" <GROG@erie.net>
>To: rablair@ix.netcom.com
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:36:02 -0500
>Subject: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
>Reply-To: GROG@erie.net
>Cc: ggreg@nwu.edu
>Return-Receipt-To: GROG@erie.net
>Priority: normal
>
>A few members of the list have helped me find out what's
>going on and what's going on is that when I send out a post
>to the world it seems to get accepted, except by the 1999 list
>After sending a few posts out (cc: to others as well) it did
>not show up on the list, but did make it through to these
>people.
>
>To avoid misunderstanding, please post AND respond to
>this e-mail. No malice is suggested on your part at the
>moment, but so help me if I find out you're controling
>who can speak, and who cannot. This list is an open and
>public forum originating from the United States of America,
>is it not? I'm speaking to you most of all Marcy.
>
>grog@erie.net
>
>
ggreg
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From: John J Fleming <John@coldnorth.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:04:01 -0500
Subject: Space1999: A personal, unwarrented attack - it affects you all!!!
Hi all,
I just thought I would pass this on to the list. Not to start it all up
agian, but for those that think Robert R. over reacted, take a look at this.
Now, tell me, did I deserve this in anyway at all??
I sent this out today...
>To: GROG@erie.net
>From: John@COLDNORTH.Com (John J Fleming)
>Subject: Re: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>>To avoid misunderstanding, please post AND respond to
>>this e-mail. No malice is suggested on your part at the
>>moment, but so help me if I find out you're controling
>>who can speak, and who cannot. This list is an open and
>>public forum originating from the United States of America,
>>is it not? I'm speaking to you most of all Marcy.
>
>Hey Grog,
>
> I have nothing to do with the list's maintenance. SO why you are
emailing me, I don't know. It sounds like you have been unsubed. Try
resubscribing. There are glitches in the system, and these things happen.
Its happened to me.
>
> And just to add to the problem, I aggree with Robert R. about all
this. All I can say is this, some thing my mom taught me a long time ago,
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything". It has worked
like a charm. I don't agree with a lot of stuff going on on the list, or
off, but I keep my mouth shut and try and put forth a positive note. If it
bothers you, ignore it. I don't see the productiveness in attacking anyone
personaly, that goes for everyone to/from everyone. But hey, what the hell
do I know. Lets see, I have been flamed once, and only once, everyone seems
to like me, and I know who to ask, and not to ask, for favours. Ummm...
seems to be working for me. Just my "core group" oppinion.
>
> Good luck with getting back on the list. Sounds like a simple tech
problem.
>
>
>Later...
And then I get this back a little latter on...
>Comments: Authenticated sender is <GROG@moose.erie.net>
>From: "MIKE GRYGO" <GROG@erie.net>
>To: John@COLDNORTH.Com (John J Fleming)
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:07:10 -0500
>Subject: Re: WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT GETTING THROUGH
>Reply-to: GROG@erie.net
>Return-receipt-to: GROG@erie.net
>Priority: normal
>
>I'm asking for help and you send this back. If you agree
>with Robert that's your business. As you're also a "vendor"
>to the list, take my advice and don't start any shit with me,
>unless the SPACE:1999 stuff you're selling is properly
>licensed through POLYGRAM. If it is, then I apologize.
>My work with toy company photography has led me to
>believe that licensing can be a real burden, but is part
>of the rules. Take that preacher, or should I start making
>a few e-mails to Polygram?
>
>grog@erie.net
So folks, I'll let you draw you own conclusions as to whats what. If
this (see above) is how most of you feel, fine!! I'll take my efforts
elsewhere. I don't need to be threated by ANYONE!!
I was helpful, and made sure my "comments" were not directed at Grog.
They were general observations of life, the universe, and everything. Puleeze!!
All I can say is true colours... (and yes, that was a personal comment
directed at Grog, in defense of this unwarrented attack on me personaly, my
business, and its impact on the list and the all Space:1999 fans)
Later...
______________________________________________________________
John J Fleming - John@COLDNORTH.Com - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
COLD NORTH Publishing - 1349 Leaside Avenue, Unit #3 - K1Z 7R2
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From: Marcy K <mk@wizard.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:13:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Where did the Alphans end up?
Hi Alison, Alphans!
Welcome Alison!
>I'm sure this has been discussed before, but how do the rest of you
>picture the Alphans ending up? Did they settle on The Immunity Syndrome
>planet, or were they rescued? Do you think John/Helena and Tony/Maya
>stayed together? Are they still out there somewhere, floating through
>space, living their lives with that wonderful disco soundtrack echoing
>in the background!?
There has been much speculation about this, but obviously no one has the
answers. Officially no, as the last episode of Y2 was The Dorcons, and ITC
was hoping for a third season. There has been some great fan fiction on the
issue, some of which is up in the Cyber Museum, http://space1999.net in The
Work of Today's Alphans section. My favorite ending type story is Philippa
Sidle's long one which name aludes me at the time. It is a 1999/ST:TNG
crossover which I really enjoyed despite not being much of a ST:TNG fan.
There are also some other great stories by Ellen Lindow available there.
David Welle is working on some stories too. His first one was excellent,
but doesn't resolve the Alphan's wandering.
The one thing I knew would
>never get lost in translation was the "you know something exciting is
>about to happen" disco music. Think how many security guards could have
>been saved from vaporisation if only they=92d been able to hear that
>music. "Uh, oh - disco!! GET DOWN!" It could have served as a musical
>Early Warning System.
You're right. Kind of like the riffs in the Friday the 13th type movies,
when you want to shout at the dumb bimbo, "Don't go in there!".
Marcy
"True power is knowing that you can, but you don't." --J.A. Jarvis
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From: Patricia Sokol <sokolp@war.wyeth.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:29:56 -0500
Subject: Space1999: Reply - Where did the Alphans end up?
Alison writes:
>From: Alison Braidwood <sales@hansens.co.uk>
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:23:54 +0000
>Subject: Space1999: Where did the Alphans end up? =
>
>
>Hi all.
>
>I'm sure this has been discussed before, but how do the rest of you
>picture the Alphans ending up? Did they settle on The Immunity
>Syndrome planet, or were they rescued?
> <snipped>
>Alison Braidwood
Hi Alison - Welcome to the list.
The issue of, Where did the Alphans end up? was never addressed in
the 48 TV episodes, much to the delight of fiction writers (both
professional and fan fic) and much to the dismay of viewers like me
who would scrupulously serach the TV Guide for a "movie-of-the-week"
that ended the Alphans' plight.
Several answers from different sources have been proposed
1) Earthfall, by E.C. Tubb (skip this is you're inclined to read it
and don't know or don't want to know the ending) - The moon never
left orbit, but was catapulted into another dimension/alternative
universe by the huge amount of energy that was generated by the
nuclear reactions. After enough energy bled off, the ended up back
in Earth's orbit, some time in the future. Whether they did, in
fact, evacuate to the somewhat changed world was not written, but one
could probably assume that they had. In the meantime, they started a
new generation of Alphans, recognizing the fact that they were not
immortal.
2) Edge of the Infinite - The Immunity Syndrome was not the last
episode produced, though it was the last in the series of Warner
books. At the end of the story, the Alphans were left looking around
at this now-innocuous planet, wondering if they could settle there,
after all. That's how it was left...the rest is up to you.
3) Children of the Gods - The episode that wasn't. Written by
Johnny Byrne, it is the story of two little superpowered brats that
wreak havoc on the Alphans. Turns out they are their descendents,
back from the future, and do not know that the Alphans are their
progenitors. While this does not directly say the Alphans settled
down someplace, it implies that they must have, or else these kids
would never have existed. This story was rejected in favor of The
Dorcons for the final episode of Y2, although many - Mr. Byrne
included - feel this would have been a better final episode had they
known Y3 was truly out of the picture. At least there was some hint
of finality.
As for me, I always liked the concept that they never found a planet
(I think at the end of Matter of Life and Death, Kano had come up
with some ridiculous figures regarding the number of planets they
would come across in their trajectory and the age they would be when
they reached the first; this observation was swiftly ignored and they
came across another real quick), and therefore they eventually had to
expand using raw materials they scavenged from the odd wandering
meteor/comet/derelict, and started allowing births.
BTW, to you and other potential posters, don't let the idea that
something has already been discussed dissuade you from bringing up a
topic. The list is very dynamic, and so many people have never had
the opportunity to submit their views, or read others' views. After
all, how many time has the Y1 vs. Y2 string reared its head?
Pat. Sokol
sokolp@war.wyeth.com
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From: "connole_rj_ray (184864)" <connole@vs.lmco.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:17:29 -0600
Subject: Space1999: Earthfall images
I am looking for a 1/1 scan of the front and back of the
novel Earthfall. I finally began converting my xerox copy
I have into MS Word. No telling how long it will take me
but I would like a nice color gif or jpg to print out of
a color copier or color printer. Since I can't buy a copy
I figured I'd make my own with pictures included. If this
effort (now a labor of love) is worth while, I may be able to
put it on 3 1/2 disks for others to enjoy and make their own
customized keepsake. So if any of the lucky owners have a
good copy they wouldn't mind scanning I would be in your debt.
Thanx
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From: "MIKE GRYGO" <GROG@erie.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:20:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: A personal, unwarrented attack - it affects you
I did not give permission to Coldnorth to dump
any messages onto the list. In my early days on
the net, I found that this was a big no-no and wasn't
considered nice, so I learned and never did it again.
(it was someone on this list; please forgive as I still
consider myselft a net-novice ).
How long have you been on the net Mr. Coldnorth?
Shame on you for not being nice Coldnorth; you
willfully force my hand in this matter; anything
that comes your way you bring on yourself.
You and Mr. Ruiz have proven that you take yourselfs
too seriously and have paraded yourselfs in front of
a lot of people thinking your "righteous" , and except
for a few patronizing panzies, you folks continue to
come off as unsocial nerds with
serious emotional problems.
Please respond to this at grog@erie.net, instead
of using the list to whine and cry about. Be a man!
grog@erie
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From: Ian Wheeler <ian@ianjames.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:39:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Space1999: Nick Tate in ST:TNG
In message <97031105000833540@drugnet.co.uk>, Brian Dowling
<brian.dowling@drugnet.co.uk> writes
>Salute omnes!
>
>Ian wrote...
>
>>Nick Tate was also on a 4th Season episode of Star Trek: The next
>>generation, called "Final Mission2, or something like that. It is the
>>episode where Wesley "save the day, even when Data should have
>>thought of the idea hours ago" Crusher goes with Picard on a trip to
>>some mining negotiations, and their shuttle crashes. It's piloted by
>>a man called "Dirgo" (similarity alert!), played by Nick.
>
>What? That was him? I'm a bit miffed that I didn't spot that one!
>Where's me Trek books? I saw Nick in "Cry Freedom", but that one is
>totally new to me.
>
Yup! That was him!
He is listed in the credits, and if you try to look through all the
makeup, you can see his face. His accent also slips back to "aussie
mode" now and then. Listen carefully!
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From: "MIKE GRYGO" <GROG@erie.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:39:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: A personal, unwarrented attack - it affects you
Stop with the saintly I DID IT ALL FOR YOU!!! stuff.
If you run a legitimate business, like I do, you make money.
So, unless you can prove all your endeavors were
profitless, STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT ALREADY!!!
grog@erie.net
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From: "Andre Parent & Sylvie Frigon" <andrep1@usa.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:15:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space:1999 Midi files
Hi,
Gregg mentionned this recently:
> there were supposed to be the first year's theme in .MID format,
> and I cannot seem to locate them at all. Does anyone have a copy
There is a page dedicated to the sound files, Real Audio and .mid. It
is on my site for your downloading pleasure.
Thanks,
Andre
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From: John@coldnorth.com (John J Fleming)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:52:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: A personal, unwarrented attack - it affects you
>I did not give permission to Coldnorth to dump
>any messages onto the list. In my early days on
>the net, I found that this was a big no-no and wasn't
>considered nice, so I learned and never did it again.
>(it was someone on this list; please forgive as I still
>consider myselft a net-novice ).
>
>How long have you been on the net Mr. Coldnorth?
>Shame on you for not being nice Coldnorth; you
>willfully force my hand in this matter; anything
>that comes your way you bring on yourself.
I did not ask permision to post this, but I thought it relevent. I sent
this to the list as it does affect everyone on the list. You threaten me and
my bussiness, and this affects my clients. And the Space:1999 Mailing list
is part of my client base. I think they have the right to know how this may
affect them.
I have been more than nice. My comments were not vicious or a personal
attack on you. I offered help in your search to post to the list. And a
little constructive advice that my mom gave me. So much for your free speech
preaching. As long as it matches what you want to say, if I differ, then I
am wrong!!
BTW, after "going after" me, shall you try and have the "Cyber Museum",
or the "Cybrary" shut down?? Any other unlicensed things people do, will you
go after them if they disagree with you on a point?? And thats all I have done.
>You and Mr. Ruiz have proven that you take yourselfs
>too seriously and have paraded yourselfs in front of
>a lot of people thinking your "righteous" , and except
>for a few patronizing panzies, you folks continue to
>come off as unsocial nerds with
>serious emotional problems.
Seriously?? You bet! Especialy when you threaten me and my bussiness.
And I never said anything about being "rightous". You THREATENED me!! With
no good reason except for the fact I didn't take YOUR side in a matter!!
>Stop with the saintly I DID IT ALL FOR YOU!!! stuff.
>
>If you run a legitimate business, like I do, you make money.
>So, unless you can prove all your endeavors were
>profitless, STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT ALREADY!!!
I don't see how this fits into anything we are talking about here. I
have never said, past or present, anything in the order as above. Don't put
words in my mouth. I have not said, "I did it all for you", and complained
about the way I have been treated. Nor will I ever. I do it because I like
it, and if I can make some other people happy, and maybe turn a small
profit, great. But it is because I like doing it. And I have yet to complain.
My business is legitimate, and some of the stuff I am doing is in the
grey area. Are you going to tell me that you have never bought any grey
market materials at all?? And if you do see them, do you turn the owner in
for illegal activities??
>Please respond to this at grog@erie.net, instead
>of using the list to whine and cry about. Be a man!
I will respond to the list as I see fit, as shall you. This affects
everyone on this list, so I see no reason not to show everyone where I
stand. And I am a man. I have not been calling anyone names, or passing
judgement on them. As you have. Lets see, you have called me "rightous",
"patronizing panzy", unsocial nerd", as having "emotional problems", a
person who is prone to "whine and cry". Oh yes, I can't forget the "saintly"
remark. Never claimed to be in any sence. And all this quoted from just this
email, plus one from a second!! I have yet to call you a single name with
any negative slant. So what's the deal here??
Here is the question:
What have I done to you for you to treat me like this??
And please, reread all the email from me, and consider it carefully.
Later...
______________________________________________________________
John J Fleming - John@COLDNORTH.Com - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
COLD NORTH Publishing - 1349 Leaside Avenue, Unit #3 - K1Z 7R2
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From: Brian Dowling <brian.dowling@drugnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:16:00 GMT
Subject: Space1999: Euro Alphans IRC
Hi y'all,
Regarding the IRC channel, I wrote and Ian replied
>>How about those of us wanting to try this IRC thing (never done that
>>before) arrange to log in at a specific time.
>GREAT IDEA!
I do have them now and then... :-)
>#space1999 is always open open on Havenet in the US, and never occupied
>during what we in Europe consider "the day", so we could all meet up at
>about, maybe 6 or 7 pm GMT (It's easier), and have a chat without having
>to stay up watching some boring 70's cop film that every TV channel
>seems to show at 1:30 in the morning.
Sure looks like a good idea to me.
>I think we need further discussion about this topic, either at my Email
>address, or on the list. It's up to you.
Let's use the list. That way we can reach as many EuroAlphans as
possible. And if any of our fellow Alphans around the world happen to
be "nerding" at whatever hour it may be when we meet, they can join in
too!
>I've only ever used IRC chat once, using the ever popular mIRC, and
>I found it very easy... I'd love to talk with some European Alphans!
I'm waiting for a reply from CompuServe about IRC, and I don't think it
will be a positive one, somehow.
>GREAT IDEA ALERT! Although I don't know whether this program has
>Conference call capability or not, if you go to www.phonefree.com, you
>can download the FreePhone Internet phone. As it's name states, it's
>totally free, (still in Beta test, but it functions perfectly) and we
>could use it to literally chat with each other!
Sounds well devious! I've heard of these things before, but never
really got into using them. Any experts on this out there? Tell us
more!
Okay. Suggestions for a gathering time. I'd suggest a midweek evening,
at 1930 GMT. That way, the phone traffic won't be so busy because all
the sad soap addicts will be in front of their tvs getting their fixes.
Aside from tomorrow and Thursday, I'm fully booked until next Tuesday
evening (and methinks I'll be feeling just a little bit rough after St
Patrick's Night...). Anyone else suggest times and dates?
Ah, yes, I'm away in Wales again this weekend, and won't be able to
access my email until Monday evening. Given that my BBS is usually
about 5 hours behind, if a day and time is agreed, could someone e-mail
my CompuServe id and let me know please? It's in my sig...
First the EuroAlphan IRC, next the EuroAlphan meet? We might have
something here...
Peace & love & rock n' roll,
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Brian Dowling - Birmingham, England
Alphan #144
Eagle_1@compuserve.com
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