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From: HANSENS KITCHEN EQUIPMENT <sales@hansens.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:01:37 +0000
Subject: Space1999: Early signs of Space:1999 addiction
Hi Alphans,
How old were you when you realised Space was destined to be more than
"just another show" to you? I watched Year 1 regularly and enjoyed it,
but really started to take a keen interest during Season 2 (Tony +
burgeoning hormones :)) My family's first ever colour TV was installed
during a Season 2 episode. Imagine the excitement of seeing the grey and
black monochrome of previous episodes transformed into vivid, colourful
reality. From then on I was hooked. I still have audio-cassettes of some
episodes (this was way before VCRs) in both French and English. Have you
ever tried to make a recording with two younger brothers talking in the
background? Some of the dialogue is entirely obscured by my irate
attempts to shut them up.
Tony Wynn StarParty@aol.com recently asked about Earthfall
>Unfortunately, this novel was never released in the United States. >However, I don't know about Canada. Canadian readers, do you know if >Earthfall was released in your country???
I don't remember seeing it. I grew up in Nova Scotia and Ontario (Ottawa
- - greetings John@coldnorth) and from the age of 12 started collecting
the Butterworth books. I looked for years in vain for The Edge of the
Infinite. However, if Earthfall wasn't marketed as a Space:1999 novel I
might not have noticed it.
I get the feeling Ina Litera and Chris CHH1999 are "rabid Tony fans"
like me. Are there any more of us out there?
Bye
Alison Braidwood
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From: "Jonathan Ward" <JWard@lonet.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:46:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Voyager comparisson
As soon as ST: Voyager hit the waves in 1995, I think, it immediately
struck me as a ripoff of the much superior Space: 1999. Instead of a moon
they were on a TACKY looking ship! The only character I like on Voyager is
Tuvok, but he reminds me of Spock too much. That's probably why I like him.
But with 1999, I like a great deal of the characters and unlike Voyager,
1999 episodes aren't painful to watch, nor do they induce sleep! :)
BTW, what Gentle Mike said about Star Trek TOS being the REAL Trek, I agree
100%.
Jonathan Ward (JWard@Lonet.ca)
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From: "Jonathan Ward" <JWard@lonet.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:51:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: OT: Terry Nation
This is indeed sad news. I am a Dr. Who fan as well as a Space: 1999 fan.
Although I've never met Mr. Nation or had the chance to attend any Dr. Who
Cons, I believe sci-fi has suffered a loss. Jon Pertwee was (and is) still
one of my favorite doctors. It doesn't seem they are going to revive the
series either. There's not much point if they aren't going to do it right.
I'm sure many of you know of a Space:1999-Dr. Who connection...Patrick
Troughton, the 2nd Doctor starred in the final Space: 1999 episode the
Dorcons.
Jonathan Ward (JWard@Lonet.ca)
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From: Patricia Sokol <sokolp@war.wyeth.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:56:12 -0500
Subject: Space1999: So many failed missions
David Lerda < djlerda@juno.com> writes about the failures of the space
missions. Below is some material experpted form a "timeline" written
by former list member and author, Shane Johnson, in preparaiton for a
proposed book about Space:1999. It is a fleshing out of the timeline
written for the technical manual.
8/22/81 Through a merging of NASA with the Soviet and European space
agencies, the World Space Commission (WSC) is formed. All future
manned spaceflight is to be approved, managed, and funded through the
combined resources of all spacefaring nations. Decisions concerning
all lunar activities are to be handled under the authority of a
sub-agency, the International Lunar Commission (ILC).
11/9/84 Ernst Queller develops the fast-neutron drive
10/7/86 The Uranus Probe, commanded by Jack Tanner and Cabot Rowland,
is launched from Centuri
12/10/87 The Uranus Probe vanishes in a proton storm only five days
before reaching orbit
4/9/88 Voyager One with its Queller Drive propulsion system
islaunched. Several lunar orbital technicians die when the drive
proves faulty.
3/25/89 Robert Addison lands on Venus. Exploration is halted
prematurely due to extreme surface conditions even more harsh than
those expected.
7/10/95 Astro 7, under the command of Lee Russell, is launched
toward Jupiter
1/15/96 Astro 7 lost in Jupiter orbit
3/30/96 Captain Joseph Michael, commanding a mothership and four
Swift support craft, leads a mission to investigate a nearby star
system
5/22/96 Following the failure of the previous three star missions,
Gerald Trapnell of the ILFC attempts to stop the launch of the Ultra
Probe mission. He is overruled.
6/6/96 The Ultra Probe mission, with Captain Anthony Cellini in
command, is launched
12/18/96 Planet Ultra is reached. Contact is lost with the probe
ship.
7/27/96 The Ultra Probe command module is retrieved from space. The
mission's sole survivor is found aboard.
9/16/97 The failure of the Ultra Probe mission places great pressure
upon the WSC. Used as scapegoats by the ILFC, Tony Cellini, John
Koenig, and Victor Bergman are grounded and re-assigned to posts on
Earth.
12/1/98 Planet 'Meta' is discovered passing the solar system far
beneath the plane of the ecliptic. A manned mission is planned to
find out why a planet so far from the warmth of a star is not frozen.
The unmanned photo-probe Spacefarer Nine is redirected toward the
planet.
The events in this timeline are referenced in these spisodes, also
from David#s post:
>Voyager II - "Voyager's Return"
>Uranus Expedition of 1986 - "Death's Other Dominion"
>Astro 7 Mission - "A Matter of Life and Death"
>Ultra Probe - "Dragon's Domain"
>Swift Star Mission - "Brian the Brain"
The fate of the Swift mission was unknown at the time of the Alphans'
leaving. Presumably everybody on Earth figured it was going just
fine, but maybe due to distance, communication was impossible. The
rapidity with which all these missions went up, and the fact that it
was a world-wide effort, implies that all of these missions were
well-planned and on their ways to being executed at the times others
failed. The US space initiative, however, has years between its
planned missions, the Apollo missions being considered in one unit.
Also, the public sort of lost interest in the space program after we
reached the moon (been there, done that, and didn't even get a
t-shirt). The public in the 1999 universe never lost its thirst for
exploration.
The fact that so many missions went up and failed is strange. Only
the Mars mission enjoyed success, and the Venus mission, limited
success. While human beings were content to stay within their solar
system - aside from Astro 7 - everything went just fine. As soon as
we tried to go out of our solar system, something goes wrong. There
was pressure to halt the Ulta Probe mission because of failures, but
there was so much invested in it at the time, that to stop would be
ridiculous. If we want to read into that, we could say that mankind
was not yet ready to leave his little corner of the galaxy. Arra
("Collision Course") makes a strong case for everything being as it
should be. Let's look at it this way: If the Ultra Probe had
succeeded, Koenig and Cellini would have been promoted much faster,
perhaps one of them even being Commissioner rather than Simmonds.
Therefore, the moon's being blown out of orbit could have been
averted, and collision with Etheria would have been impossible. It's
the order of the Universe.
My impression of much of what happened to Alpha is that they weren't
psychologically prepared for such an excursion, either. I think ML
may have said this in an interview somewhere, too. So, they wer
thrust into an environment that had previously been very hostile to
them, and they had to deal with it. It#s no wonder they were
suspicious and defensive. It#s also surprising that no-one cracked
before Saunders in "Seance Spectre"
Philosophically yours,
Pat. Sokol
sokolp@war.wyeth.com
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From: John J Fleming <John@coldnorth.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:07:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Kinda OT- Six Million Dollar Man on da moon
Freddie Freiberger - need we say anything more!
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From: Charles McEvoy <mcevoyc@rcsn.nb.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:05:48 -0400
Subject: Space1999: Poor Old Fred
I still read with amazement that Fred Freiberger is still being vilified
as the 'grim reaper' who wrought havoc with Space 1999. Read the literature
that is posted in the Cybrary; the man did the best he could with what was
made available to him. Yes, I totally agree that he has/had little or any
sci-fi sense--but have you ever considered the consequences of his not
being Y2 producer? Would there even have been a Y2? Perhaps we would all
be reminiscing about a series that lasted only one year (by the way, that
was to be Tim Heald's job if Space was not re-newed for a second season in
the Making of Space 1999).
Quite frankly, there was a marked improvement in Y2. Some of my
favourites episodes come that season--Catacombs of the Moon, All that
Glisters, Mark of Archanon, Seed of Destruction; these are far superior to
most Y1 episodes. Oh, I used to be the most avid anti-Y2 person around.
Old age and fatherhood have changed me.
While there was a major improvement in some areas, Y2 still had its share
or glaring problems--as did Y1. But all that is history and we do have two
seasons to enjoy. Enjoy!
Could you imagine Aaron Spelling producing Y2? Space:90210?
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From: Dean A Dunday <ddunday@powerweb.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:24:14 -0600
Subject: Space1999: cosmic forces guiding moonbase
David Lerda's message about a cosmic force guiding the moonbase made me
think that maybe the Alphans were destined to be blown out of Earth's
orbit. In Journey to Where they discovered that Earth was basically a
wasteland with people living in big bubbles not far removed from the
Alphan situation. Maybe instead of going back to Earth they were
actually meant to go out into space and settle on more than one planet.
As far as I know the Testament of Arkadia was the only show to leave
people on another planet. If I sit here and think some more I might
remember others but with two kids I don't have much time to sit. So
maybe the Alphans were not supposed to remain together but were to
colonize many different worlds. Does anyone have any thoughts on this
or am I way off the mark. Take care. Kelly
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From: MORIGUCG@hurlburt.af.mil
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:13:37 cst
Subject: Space1999: Insterested?
I have managed to come across the original Year 1 and Year 2 promo
books. These books are in near mint beautiful condition and I think we
all know how rare these are. I am selling thiem for $400 (for the year
1 book) and $300 for the Year 2. Please E-mail me direct if
insterested. Thank you.
Gooch
PS Yeah, I got the new address this time. Sorry...
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From: John J Fleming <John@coldnorth.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:22:05 -0500
Subject: Eagle Flight (was "Re: Space1999: Re: OT: Terry Nation")
> Back on topic: What do you people think, when Eagles are "flying"
> above lunar surface, are they hovering (keeping vtol thrusters
> running) or are they on a ballistic trajectory?
Ballistic trajectory, with just a touch of vtol thrusters VTOL
thrusters to keep its vector parallel to the Moon surface. Well, that how it
SHOULD work. But as in all Sci-Fi, the SPACEships engines are ALWAYS
engaged. Waste of fuel, and an insult to our intelegence. Well, B5 seems to
do a good job of this. And 1999 did a fair job. As a cost cutting measure,
not any conscience decision of Sci-Fact. With the enginges not needing to be
glowing all the time, things would run smoother and faster on set I would think.
Not as bad as BSG's Vipers having a Compass, Artificial Horizon, and
Altimeter in it's array of instruments to fly by!! In a SPACESHIP!!!
You have to credit the design team, and director, for NOT showing more
of the dshboard of an Eagle. Therefore solving this problem.
Later...
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From: Donald Hayunga <miramar@escape.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:52:20 -0600
Subject: Space1999: The List
Hello;
I guess I fall into the catagory of being sort of a lurker.
I've been on the list for some time now. I would like to say
that the work done by the list admin staff is first rate. I have found
that each person I've met through this list has been very nice and the
list in general is very understanding to most people.
Ido however tend to agree with the list admin staff on the
subject of bad manner's on the list. To continue to be an asset to
those of us that, untill just a short time ago thought that Space 1999
died in 1976, this list must remain a sourse of enjoyment for all who
participate.
I have been a member of many "FAN" related groups in the pastand
they all seem to attract attention from people whoose soul purpose seems
to be to be a large apin in the ..... .
I personal have begun several friendships because of the list. I
would like to think that the calibur of people on this list is just a
little higher than the excepted norm. I have found in my many travels
that generally the Sci Fi fan is cut from different cloth. We all share
something in common.
Allright, I've vented, Now on to other things. Does anyone out
there thing that the members of the list that continue the work of
expanding the technical end of things should form a loose association?
This association would organize and generally be responsible for the
organized proliferation of technical information. Comments please.
Donald Hayunga
Pulp Fiction Comics
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Eagle/Hawk Development Project
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From: swimgua@redestb.es (Jose Luis Guadalupe)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:51:55 GMT
Subject: Space1999: EAGLE PAGE FINISHED!!
Hi alphans . :)
Todays i've finished my brand new, all animated gif, java and
javascript page about the PERFECT SPaceSHIP EAGLE :)
In other matters,, I'm trying to copyright the model, as soon as i've
finished it, the entire model will be post or at the site of Marcy or
at 3dCafe.com site..... or even at Cybray site or whatever site i
found, because the entire model without the cargo module takes a big
4.5 zip file, including the textures..... and it's a expensive job to
email it to everyone who asked for it .....
Be patient!=20
REgards =20
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From: John J Fleming <John@coldnorth.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:31:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: EAGLE PAGE FINISHED!!
>In other matters,, I'm trying to copyright the model, as soon as i've
>finished it, the entire model will be post or at the site of Marcy or
>at 3dCafe.com site..... or even at Cybray site or whatever site i
>found, because the entire model without the cargo module takes a big
>4.5 zip file, including the textures..... and it's a expensive job to
>email it to everyone who asked for it .....
Hi Jose, and all other Alphan artists,
As soon as you put pen to paper, or mouse to electronic image, it is
copyrighted. Nothing further is needed to be done.
I would just add my name to the model, some place that only you know
of. This way, if you suspect that someone is using your model as their own,
or with out permision, you can easily check. Just a thought!!
Later...
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From: DAllard422@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:12:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Where did Alpha end up?
I would like the Alphans to eventually find a home, but there is so much more
to explore in the universe before they get there. In Exiles, John Koenig
doubts the sincerity of the aliens and tests his gun on them. My feelings
are that he would have gone one step further and demanded some sort of
scematics of the work they were going to do to increase life-support. He
would have checked these out with Maya to make sure it could work. So even
though the Exiles did not increase life-support the Alphans eventually could
have. This would have given them room to have children and perhaps pick up a
few aliens on the way. So this is how I picture it continuing but not
ending. (Whenever I pick up a pencil and paper, my kids ask me if I'm
changing a Space:1999 story again. Is there anyone out there who hasn't?)
Lynn Allard
by the way I have thoroughly enjoyed the stories by Ellen Lindow and
Philippa Sidle in the cyber museum.
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From: djlerda@juno.com (David J Lerda)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:26:43 EST
Subject: Re: Space1999: Poor Old Fred
On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:05:48 -0400 Charles McEvoy <mcevoyc@rcsn.nb.ca>
writes:
> Could you imagine Aaron Spelling producing Y2? Space:90210?
>
At least there would be no Tori Spelling in it!
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From: djlerda@juno.com (David J Lerda)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:26:43 EST
Subject: Space1999: Way OT: $6 Million Dollar Man Guest Star
If I'm not mistaken the guest star in that "Dark Side of the Moon"
episode was Jack Colvin ( who played the reporter chasing Bill Bixby
around on Incredible Hulk). I seem to remember him with a cheesy
mustache for his $6 Million Dollar Duck guest villian role.
David
Pilot, Recon Eagle 13
aka
David J Lerda
Salisbury, Maryland, USA
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From: djlerda@juno.com (David J Lerda)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:26:44 EST
Subject: Space1999: "REPLY TO: " Feature
Is the REPLY TO feature back to the "old" way of doing things? That is
when someone clicks on "REPLY TO" the address of the sender appears in
the "TO:" field and not the list address? I'm not complaining. I'm just
trying to figure out if the old feature is back or if I've just gotten
terribly populary. <G> Thanks for any info.
David
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aka
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From: "Atomic Possum" <atomicpossum@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:31:13 -0600
Subject: Re: Space1999: Poor Old Fred
NOTHING IN THIS POST SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A PERSONAL ATTACK OR A FLAMING.
That said:
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> From: Charles McEvoy <mcevoyc@rcsn.nb.ca>
> I still read with amazement that Fred Freiberger is still being
vilified
> as the 'grim reaper' who wrought havoc with Space 1999.
I hope you didn't think my post with the Six Million Dollar Man info
was Freddy Bashing....I wasn't trying to bring up any of that. I just
quoted the site with the pertinent details of what the Bionic Pages were
saying, as I thought people might like to know the odd tie-in between the
6.M.D.M. episode Mark was talking about and 1999.
>Read the literature
> that is posted in the Cybrary; the man did the best he could with what
was
> made available to him. Yes, I totally agree that he has/had little or
any
> sci-fi sense--but have you ever considered the consequences of his not
> being Y2 producer? Would there even have been a Y2? Perhaps we would
all
> be reminiscing about a series that lasted only one year (by the way, that
> was to be Tim Heald's job if Space was not renewed for a second season in
> the Making of Space 1999).
Actually, I think Freddie must be a good producer from a business
standpoint. I would guess he's able to get out the product on time, and on
budget, otherwise, why would he keep being given these jobs? And he was
always the one brought in to 'save' shows, which I'm betting, in the eyes
of the studios, meant on time and on budget--unfortunately, I think he
doesn't have as good a hold on the creative end of things, a view many fans
of his various series' seem to share.
Of course, coming in to play 'savior' is tough, and changes will
probably bother any fans of the established show, who might not think that
their show needs 'saving.'
The only other series I know of that he produced for was "Wild, Wild
West," but I don' t know any details or what the fans of that show think of
his tenure, so I can't say overall.
> While there was a major improvement in some areas, Y2 still had its
share
> or glaring problems--as did Y1. But all that is history and we do have
two
> seasons to enjoy. Enjoy!
I remember I used to think that Year 2 was better--more human
characters, more explicable endings, a bit more humor. And while those are
some of the better points, even some of the neccessary improvements made in
Year 2, I still think Year 1 is better, more different, see what I mean?
> Could you imagine Aaron Spelling producing Y2? Space:90210?
I thought that was "Space: Above and Beyond..." (JUST A JOKE!)
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From: ARIMMR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:56:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Voyager comparisson
In a message dated 97-03-13 09:51:44 EST, JWard@lonet.ca (Jonathan Ward)
writes:
<<but with 1999, I like a great deal of the characters and unlike Voyager,
1999 episodes aren't painful to watch, nor do they induce sleep! :)
>>
I agree,everyone on voyager is so happy(they must put tranquilizers in the
food or something).I had a hard time believing the marquee(you know the
pirate guys)just joined up with the starfleet crew put on the uniforms and
then acted like they had always been part of starfleet.(yes there were one or
two episodes where they tried to show the problems with this ,but they seemed
really forced).space 1999 seemed to show the desperation better(will we have
enough feul to go on,will we live to find a new home etc)And believe me i
have watched voyager(i believe in giving every show a chance(i do like star
trek,stng and ds9 as well as lots of other sci/fi)well enuogh for now,back to
lurk mode.
lynn laakso
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From: ARIMMR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:06:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Early signs of Space:1999 addiction
In a message dated 97-03-13 09:09:11 EST, sales@hansens.co.uk (HANSENS
KITCHEN EQUIPMENT) writes:
<< I get the feeling Ina Litera and Chris CHH1999 are "rabid Tony fans"
like me. Are there any more of us out there?
>>
Yes there are.I started watching the show when i was pretty young,and really
starting to take an interest in guys.Iwatched season one and thought it was
pretty good but hormones prevailed in season 2(ever since i've had a thing
about guys with dark hair,)
I too had all the episodes on audio tape (i dug them out of my closet
recently(the quality is awfull,but i get to hear what my brothers sounded
like back then)
back to lurk mode
lynn laakso
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From: mpoindexter@classtrain.com (Marshall Poindexter)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:06:08 -0600
Subject: Space1999: Re: Space1999 "REPLY TO:" Feature
On 13 March 1997, David Lerda (djlerda@juno.com) wrote:
>Is the REPLY TO feature back to the "old" way of doing things? That is
>when someone clicks on "REPLY TO" the address of the sender appears in
>the "TO:" field and not the list address? I'm not complaining. I'm just
>trying to figure out if the old feature is back or if I've just gotten
>terribly populary. <G> Thanks for any info.
Yes, David, it is. Marcy probably just forgot to send a note to the list.
So, to reiterate, all replies to mailing list messages will now go back to
the original sender, unless you specify that you want it to go to the
entire mailing list (space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net).
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From: John J Fleming <John@coldnorth.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:39:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Poor Old Fred
>> Could you imagine Aaron Spelling producing Y2? Space:90210?
>At least there would be no Tori Spelling in it!
Are you sure?? Where do you think all the silicon monsters come from in
Y2?? And they didn't use much silicon. :-)
Later...
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