From: owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net (space1999-digest) To: space1999-digest@buffnet4.buffnet.net Subject: space1999-digest V3 #8 Reply-To: Sender: owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net Errors-To: owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net Precedence: bulk space1999-digest Tuesday, June 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 008 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: moonbubba@webtv.net (moon bubba) Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Space Shuttle - --WebTV-Mail-351787270-16248 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I remember CNN Headline News reported the emergency oxygen supply had been turned on. It took nearly a week I think to locate the pilot section. But, I dont think the ocean is deep enough where the command section was found to crush anything though. Maybe. If they had survived and had their helmets on,looks like they could have gone out one of the holes in the spacecraft and reached the surface. I dont think they wear their helmets when they lift off do they? I guess there are worse ways to go. Running out of oxygen,you'd go to sleep and never wake up. At least I dont think it will ever happen again. NASA has been re-organized,and the solid rocket boosters were redesigned. The loss off the Challenger couldnt have come at a worse time,with a teacher aboard and millions of children watching. It also set the space program back years. The Freedom space station was to be constructed in 1994. The shuttle program wont be around much longer. Soon they'll have that spacecraft that takes off from a runway and goes into space. They've been working on that for years over at Wright-Patterson Air Force base,not too far from here. The U.S. has still never lost anyone in space. Almost,with Apollo 13. The Russians have lost numerous cosmonauts. I think we've lost,what,ten lives? When I was a kid I did a book report on Gus Grissom. But at least from these lives that were lost,we learned what went wrong,and the corrections were made to insure that it never happens again. I hope not anyway. Visit Moonbubba's Moonbase at http://members.tripod.com/~moonbubba/home.html - --WebTV-Mail-351787270-16248 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-222.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net> Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id UAA22754; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA24319 for space1999-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:20:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA24313 for <space1999>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:20:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@buffnet1.buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet5.buffnet.net(205.246.19.14) by buffnet1.buffnet.net via smap (V2.0) id xma016600; Mon, 7 Jun 99 23:16:04 -0400 Received: from webserv2.buffnet.net(205.247.125.2) by buffnet5.buffnet.net via smap (V2.0) id xmagg4232; Mon, 7 Jun 99 22:51:41 -0400 Received: from ddi.digital.net (ddi.digital.net [198.69.104.2]) by webserv2.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27581 for <space1999@buffnet.net>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:32:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brclif@digital.net) Received: from clif1 (max-roc8-9.digital.net [208.14.34.9]) by ddi.digital.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04734 for <space1999@buffnet.net>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101beb156$b5cf0620$09220ed0@clif1> From: Clif <brclif@digital.net> To: "Space: 1999 Mailing List" <space1999@buffnet.net> References: <14814-375B5158-22883@postoffice-222.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990607.195208.20926.4.space1999nut@juno.com> Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Space Shuttle Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:29:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Clif <brclif@digital.net> Here's something even MORE terrible... even if that were still conscious and using the oxygen, the darkness of the ocean's depths would have enveloped them as they sank into the ocean, knowing that soon the water pressure would crush the helmets on their space suits (IF they were still intact) and eventually their bodies. Remember, too, these suits are designed to keep pressure in, not out. - --Clif "Greater justice you shall pursue." - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen A Bement <space1999nut@juno.com> To: <moonbubba@webtv.net> Cc: <Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz>; <space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 9:50 PM Subject: Space1999: Re: Space Shuttle > Oh my God.That's terrible! I can't remember what happend to them. Did we > just not rescue them in time? I can't imagine running out of O2 > > > Colleen Bement > MBA#169 > "We're all aliens...'til we get to know one another" > John Koenig > > On Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:58:00 -0400 (EDT) moonbubba@webtv.net (moon bubba) > writes: > > > >--WebTV-Mail-1007006338-13743 > >Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > >I heard that when the pilot section was found,the emergency oxygen > >supply had been turned on,which means they were still alive after the > >shuttle hit the water. > > > >Visit Moonbubba's Moonbase at > >http://members.tripod.com/~moonbubba/home.html > > > > > >--WebTV-Mail-1007006338-13743 > >Content-Disposition: Inline > >Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > >Received: from mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) > >by > > postoffice-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:53:20 > >-0700 > > (PDT) > >Return-Path: <owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net> > >Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net > >[205.246.19.13]) > > by mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net > >(8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) > > with ESMTP id UAA18241; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:53:19 -0700 (PDT) > >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by buffnet4.buffnet.net > >(8.8.7/8.8.7) > > id DAA04994 for space1999-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:45:49 > >-0400 (EDT) > > (envelope-from owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net) > >Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net > > [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with > >SMTP id > > DAA04978 for <space1999>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:45:46 -0400 (EDT) > >(envelope-from > > root@buffnet1.buffnet.net) > >Received: from buffnet5.buffnet.net(205.246.19.14) by > >buffnet1.buffnet.net > > via smap (V2.0) id xma013180; Sun, 6 Jun 99 23:40:22 -0400 > >Received: from webserv2.buffnet.net(205.247.125.2) by > >buffnet5.buffnet.net > > via smap (V2.0) id xma008334; Sun, 6 Jun 99 23:39:28 -0400 > >Received: from tpsun.taranaki.ac.nz (tpsun.taranaki.ac.nz > >[203.97.64.132]) > > by webserv2.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA11302 > >for <space1999@buffnet.net>; > > Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:37:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from > > Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz) > >From: Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz > >Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp115.tipnet.co.nz [203.97.71.144]) by > > tpsun.taranaki.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15174 for > ><space1999@buffnet.net>; > > Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:32:30 +1200 (NZST) > >Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.19990607171341.26a761b6@mail.taranaki.ac.nz> > >X-Sender: Utpjst@mail.taranaki.ac.nz > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) > >Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:13:41 > >To: space1999@buffnet.net > >Subject: Re: Space1999: Clif's Notes/Columbia House Deathmatch > >In-Reply-To: <003e01beb08f$f13448a0$0200a8c0@srst1.fl.home.com> > >References: <3.0.1.16.19990606181644.0a27da62@itol.com> > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Sender: owner-space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net > >Precedence: bulk > >Reply-To: Straker.@taranaki.ac.nz > > > > > >>> That was actually a chilling effect, to think that the pilots may > >have > >>> survived the initial blast, only to watch the ground rush up? The > >effects > >>> people may not have intended that look, but if not programmed that > >way, it > >>> was evidently considered good enough (or even better) to keep in. > > > >Neil: > >>Life imitates art: When the space shuttle Challenger exploded in > >1986, the > >>crew module was proven to have been intact after the explosion. > >>Particularly chilling is the fact that some or all of the crew may > >have > >>survived the initial explosion, but were killed when the module > >impacted on > >>the Atlantic Ocean. > > > >That's believed to be the case, yes...the Weekly World News took a > >ghoulish > >spin on the tragedy by publishing an 'official' transcript of the > >crew's > >last words. It had them spouting a whole lot of melodramatic nonsense, > >and > >ended with them all intoning the Lord's Prayer as the shuttle plunged > >earthwards. An offensive, manipulative load of trash. I daresay that > >the > >crew were killed by the shockwave of the explosion...I hope so, > >because > >that way they wouldn't have even felt the end when it came. > >JeffStoat > >*********************************************************** > >Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List > >To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and > >in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) > >*********************************************************** > > > >--WebTV-Mail-1007006338-13743-- > >*********************************************************** > >Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List > >To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and > >in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) > >*********************************************************** > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > *********************************************************** > Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List > To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and > in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) > *********************************************************** > *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** - --WebTV-Mail-351787270-16248-- *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:34:07 -0400 From: Clif <brclif@digital.net> Subject: Re: Space1999: Great Star Wars Quote Well, in that same article, it said that Lucas seemed to be hinting that the character WOULD be back... - --Clif "Greater justice you shall pursue." - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Meskin <plastic.gravity@newrock.net> To: Clif <brclif@digital.net>; Space: 1999 Mailing List <space1999@buffnet.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 12:03 AM Subject: Re: Space1999: Great Star Wars Quote > Its interesting to note that Jar-Jar Binks will NOT be in the second movie. > At least according to the "rumor" mill. He was not asked to reprise his > role. > > Which makes me believe he is free to say what he wants. > > Darn funny, too! > > -Mark > > ---------- > > From: Clif <brclif@digital.net> > > To: Space: 1999 Mailing List <space1999@buffnet.net> > > Subject: Space1999: Great Star Wars Quote > > Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 10:07 PM > > > > Ahmed Best (Jar Jar Binks): "People think that Yoda is a god. In > reality, > > he is a puppet with a man's hand up his ass." > > > > --Clif > > > > "Greater justice you shall pursue." > > > > *********************************************************** > > Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List > > To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and > > in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) > > *********************************************************** > *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:25:09 -0700 From: Don Hilliard <don.hilliard@gte.net> Subject: Space1999: Re: Space 1999: Ellison, Bova and 1999 Phil Merkel wrote (re Harlan Ellison's pseudonym of Cordwainer Bird): >Cordwainer refers to SF pro and legend Cordwainer Smith and bird of >course stands for the middle finger extended int he direction of Irwin Allen >and the producers of the Starlost. Ellison's other past explanation for the nom de (volcanic) plume is that 'Cordwainer' is Olde English for 'shoemaker'...hence a shoemaker for birds, someone whose job (however well done) is useless. Either or both may be correct. >To steer by post back on topic I'll mention that a Ben Bova review of Space >1999 is available from an old NESFA press book (Link is at the Cybrary) >which is called Viewpoints. The book was published by NESFA when Bova >was a guest of honor at one of the Boscone SF conventions (Named after the >bad guys in the classic book series Lensmen) NESFA still has the book in >print if you want to get it. The article/review is from the mid seventies and >given Bova's science background is not very kind to 1999. (NESFA being the New England Science Fiction Association...which publishes some seriously good collections of SF.) Hard-science types were rather merciless to Space: 1999; Bova and Isaac Asimov both took sledgehammers to it at various points (and while I respect the late Dr A greatly...he was a little off base with his non-science criticisms on 1999. Some of his gripes (mainly the 'wooden' characters) have been applied to his own work (equally unfairly, IMO).) Unfortunately, some of the scientific complaints were quite justified, though some are still open to debate. >Its amazing to me that Harlan Ellison stayed on Babylon 5 as Creative >Consultant for the full run of the show. Terrific! He walked off of the >1985 version of the Twilight Zone after his script, The Nackles was pulled >by network censors. And there you have the reason why B5 kept him - they didn't screw around with him. (It doesn't hurt that B5's creator and producer is a longtime friend of Ellison's, with a very similar set of opinions and ethics.) (And the complete script of 'Nackles', along with revisions and the original Donald Westlake story it's based on, is in Ellison's current collection 'Slippage'.) Ad astra per luna, Don Hilliard *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:48:58 -0700 From: Don Hilliard <don.hilliard@gte.net> Subject: Re; Space1999: (OT) 'Voyagers' and 'The Starlost' Todd Pence wrote (re Jon-Erik 'Blanks Won't Hurt' Hexum): >Did he play the man or the little kid? The man. Likeable, half-bright sort named Phineas Bogg. The kid was played by a then-popular child star with the incredible name of Meeno Peluce. (And one of the more wince-inducing moments for TV was the last Hexum episode of the series he was working on when he died. When it aired a week after his death, no-one thought to change his credit in the titles: his name superimposed over a pistol pointing at the screen and firing...!) >And it's REAL difficult for a television producer to tick off Ellison! He >usually gets along so well with them! >(note heavy sarcasm) Duly noted. Ellison's close friend Isaac Asimov nailed it: when it comes to dealing with Hollywood, the man has no tact whatsoever. (Which, as Ellison has pointed out, does tend to make the TV-related awards he's won that much more significant; he's gotten them for the quality of his work, not his personality.) Ad astra per luna, Don Hilliard *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:06:14 -0600 (CST) From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> Subject: Re: Space1999: Great Star Wars Quote On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Mark Meskin wrote: > Its interesting to note that Jar-Jar Binks will NOT be in the second movie. > At least according to the "rumor" mill. He was not asked to reprise his > role. Most likely Lucas got stung by the criticisms from some quarters that the character was an electronic Stepin Fetchit/Amos and Andy/blackface minstrel. tim gueguen 101867 *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:20:19 -0600 (CST) From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Space Shuttle On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, moon bubba wrote: > base,not too far from here. The U.S. has still never lost anyone in > space. Almost,with Apollo 13. The Russians have lost numerous > cosmonauts. In fact the Russians have lost 4 cosmonauts in the actual operation of space craft, as opposed to training accidents such as the death of Yuri Gagarin in a Mig crash in 1968. The pilot of Soyuz One was killed when the reentry parachute malfunctioned and the ship slammed into the ground(Russia lands its capsules on the ground versus the water landing method used by the US pre Shuttle). The crew of Soyuz 11, who were the first to successfully man a space station, Salyut 1, died as the result of an oxygen leak on reentry. Various claims were made of losses of manned Soviet spacecraft in the late 50s and early 60s. However writer James Oberg, considered a top Western expert on the Soviet space program, has found no evidence that these were anything more than rumour, and the openess of recent years has done nothing to alter this position. tim gueguen 101867 *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:13:09 +0100 From: Nick Abadzis <nick@nabad.demon.co.uk> Subject: Space1999: Admin: list still not working? Hello admin, is the list still not quite working properly? I still seem to be getting a few blank e-mails and some that were sent days ago. Is this still a problem with Bufnet, or can i do anything my end to rectify the problem? *********************************************************** Online Alpha - The Space: 1999 Mailing List To unsubscribe: send email to majordomo@buffnet.net and in the body put unsubscribe space1999 (or space1999-digest) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ End of space1999-digest V3 #8 *****************************